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Ever convert an N tractor to moonshine?

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Pooh Bear

08-16-2005 07:21:17




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Anyone here ever run their tractor on moonshine?
Could it be done. This option is looking more and more attractive.

Pooh Bear




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Jerry (AL)

08-16-2005 15:33:27




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 Re: Ever convert an N tractor to moonshine? in reply to Pooh Bear, 08-16-2005 07:21:17  
I live in an area of North Alabama that is renowned for shine during the prohibition days. The area is called "Freedom Hills". You can see remnants of old stills all around in the hills around here. There is a lot of local folklore about federal people infiltrating the shine business back then. Some were never seen again after coming into this part of the county.

I have employees who when they were young used to have to carry sugar up and down mountain sides for their fathers. You can really hear some tales.

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dhermesc

08-16-2005 14:20:37




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 Re:Renewable Fuel Source in reply to Pooh Bear, 08-16-2005 07:21:17  
According to Grass & Grain (Kanas Publication) the amount of alcohol production for fuel use has tripled in the US since the year 2000. With oil at $65.00 per barrel it has actually reached the point where alcohol is almost on even footing with dino fuels.


My F-I-L gas three oil wells on his property that were capped back in the late 80s. He has called the company that owns the lease rights to see when they will open them up for production. They have no idea, with oil prices so low for so long the equipment they did have is junk and replacement equipment is not available. The US fabricators moved on to new products and very little exists in terms of production equipment manufacturers, much less the crews to install and maintain it. Kind of like the old claim about Wallmart, the Saudis dropped the oil prices to the point were only a few domestic pumpers stayed in business. Now that that the US oil industry (pumpers) is wiped out they can raise the price of crude to what ever they want. It will take decades to reach the level of domestic activity we had in 1980.

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Bruce (VA)

08-16-2005 13:43:41




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 Re: Ever convert an N tractor to moonshine? in reply to Pooh Bear, 08-16-2005 07:21:17  
I have a few friends in Franklin Co VA; they measure corn there by the gallon, not the bushel! All I've ever heard is that you have to cut it with kerosine like the others have said or it will burn the rings/pistons. And, I guess somebody better come along soon & tell the none-Southerners reading this thread just what we're talking about! I've drank some good 'shine, and seen a few busted up cookers & mash on the ground after the Feds left, but I've never seen it made. And, to this day, you can not buy sugar in 50 lb bags in VA!

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new8nownerTexas

08-16-2005 11:19:51




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 Re: Ever convert an N tractor to moonshine? in reply to Pooh Bear, 08-16-2005 07:21:17  
If I remember my history right, didn't the Germans run alcohol in their vehicles in WW2 because of oil shortages? I also remember that straight alcohol has no lubricating qualities - it actually strips/dissolves oil from the cylinders causing the rings to gall the cylinder walls. While not actually abrasive it doesn't have the lubricating additives of gasoline explaining why the "shiners" added oil to their tanks. Correct me if I'm wrong cause my memory's bad on even good days.

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Kornfused

08-16-2005 10:59:55




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 Re: Ever convert an N tractor to moonshine? in reply to Pooh Bear, 08-16-2005 07:21:17  
Basically that is what ethonal is supposed to do forus. However I read a year ago that we will have a ready supply of a renewable resource when we are willing to pay an optimum for it. I though I was paying the optimum a year ago. The sad thing is look around your home - even if you stopped using gasoline, look how many products are petroleum based - from the plastic milk container in your refrigerator to the blacktop on the driveway. Maybe I should move out to an Amish area - think how much you could save without buying vehicles, gas, insurance, taxes etc...

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roger '40 9n

08-16-2005 09:49:32




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 Re: Ever convert an N tractor to moonshine? in reply to Pooh Bear, 08-16-2005 07:21:17  
I few years back i was working on a project to
convert Jerusalem Artichokes into fuel alcohol.

We distilled it to 160 proof (80%) alcohol.
Had to adjust the carb on the tractor.
Worked nice. We added about 5% kerosene for lubrication and to make it undrinkable. We added a 1 gallon gasoline tank so we could start the tractor on gasoline in cold weather then run it on the alcohol.
You should be sure that any rubber parts in the fuel system are alcohol resistant.

The only bad thing about it was that the exhaust smelled like rotten potatos.

Roger in Michigan.

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Rick H. Ga.

08-16-2005 09:47:04




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 Re: Ever convert an N tractor to moonshine? in reply to Pooh Bear, 08-16-2005 07:21:17  
My granddaddy was a notorious moonshiner in Georgia during the 1930's and 40's (I won't mention his name). Although he has passed away, to this day, his reputation follows him.

He sold shine out of his house until the revenuers caught up with him.

My mom tells a funny story about her experience as a child. She said whenever anyone knocked on the door, her little brothers would run do the door, open it and ask the visitor if they wanted a shot or a pint. However, they couldn’t tell the difference between customers and revenuers.

That is a true story.

Rick

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old

08-16-2005 09:07:28




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 Re: Ever convert an N tractor to moonshine? in reply to Pooh Bear, 08-16-2005 07:21:17  
Now this is only what I was told when I was a lot younger so if its true or not I don't know. To run shine in an engine you need to put about 25%-50% used oil in it. That keeps it from blowing the engine and also lubes it up since shine is abrasive.



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Pooh Bear

08-16-2005 09:10:31




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 Shine is abrasive?? in reply to old, 08-16-2005 09:07:28  
Shine is abrasive??

Pooh Bear



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don b

08-16-2005 12:46:01




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 Re: Shine is abrasive?? in reply to Pooh Bear, 08-16-2005 09:10:31  
Never had much trouble with abrasives when I was drinking it,but when it comes back up,you sure can tell it was full of abrasives.Anyone ever see a bunch of drunk hogs,they will act just like humans....wanting to fight and have intercourse. don b



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old

08-16-2005 09:56:05




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 Re: Shine is abrasive?? in reply to Pooh Bear, 08-16-2005 09:10:31  
There is also a story behind this also. It goes something like this. Back in the days of shine runners and gas tickets, shiners started to burn shine in there cars. The cars ran like raped apes but then started to lock and and melt piston. Seemed that the shine would burn to hot and melt the pistons and the cylinders looked like sand had been run in them. So they started to put oil in with the shine to stop the problem and from the storys it worked well. Plus they didn't have to pay to for there fuel.

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Pooh Bear

08-16-2005 10:04:56




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 Shine Making in reply to old, 08-16-2005 09:56:05  
My question is what to do with all that used mash.
After you distill the shine out of it,
what do you do with the stuff that is left.
I don't raise livestock so I can't feed it to them.
Surely you don't just pour it out on the ground.
What can you do with the left overs.

Pooh Bear



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old

08-16-2005 10:23:54




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 Re: Shine Making in reply to Pooh Bear, 08-16-2005 10:04:56  
Also a lot of farmer would be happy to have it for there pigs etc



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Dean

08-16-2005 12:56:07




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 Re: Shine Making in reply to old, 08-16-2005 10:23:54  
We've a distillery here locally. Years ago they would give the mash to the farmers who worked there for feeding to their hogs. The hogs loved it! Haven't seen anyone hauling it for years though. No doubt there are government regs these days that disallow such a common sense idea.

Dean



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old

08-16-2005 10:22:34




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 Re: Shine Making in reply to Pooh Bear, 08-16-2005 10:04:56  
The wild life will enjoy it. Plus if you deer hunt just think shoting at drunk deer would make it easy to shot lol



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old

08-16-2005 09:23:43




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 Re: Shine is abrasive?? in reply to Pooh Bear, 08-16-2005 09:10:31  
Yes achol is which shine is. But even gasoline is a little but not as bad as shine.



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RMAC(KY)

08-16-2005 08:30:08




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 Re: Ever convert an N tractor to moonshine? in reply to Pooh Bear, 08-16-2005 07:21:17  
Good 'Shine would prob. blow the head right off an 'N, I wonder what you could cut it with?



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Dana in Ky

08-16-2005 09:11:08




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 Re: Ever convert an N tractor to moonshine? in reply to RMAC(KY), 08-16-2005 08:30:08  
The trick is to drink the first mason jar yourself. After that you won't care if the tractor starts or not.;-)



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lewis

08-21-2005 21:38:36




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 Re: Ever convert an N tractor to moonshine? in reply to Dana in Ky, 08-16-2005 09:11:08  
Check out www.e85fuel.com 85% ethanol-15% gas. Anyone try it in their Ns, let us know.



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