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Pooh Bear

08-19-2005 21:53:10




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How steep of a hill can I go down.
I am talking about going nose first down a hill.
I have a 10ft drop that is faster to go down it
rather than go around the long way.
I have went down it several times. Probably a 60 degree slope.
I come back up the long way around, but faster to go down the hill.
My worry is all the oil going to the front of the engine
and not providing proper lubrication.

No way would I attempt to come back up this hill.
But what about going down it.

Pooh Bear

1949 8N frontmount and 12volt.

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octave

08-20-2005 18:47:44




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 Re: Going downhill in reply to Pooh Bear, 08-19-2005 21:53:10  
60 degrees is steep 60 degrees would rise 60 feet in a 100 feet did I ge this correct



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Dean

08-20-2005 14:01:11




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 Re: Going downhill in reply to Pooh Bear, 08-19-2005 21:53:10  
Pooh:

You cannot hurt the engine by starving it for oil for 2 or 3 seconds so long as the pump does not loose its prime and the pressure comes back up when you level out. Having said that, you can indeed drive on a slope steep enough that the oil will flow away from the pick-up tube, especially if the crankcase is not totally full. The pick-up tube is fixed on all Ns and does not swivel by gravity as does that in some industrial equipment, e.g., bull dozers.

Regarding driving on slopes: You cannot walk up (or down) a 60 degree slope, much less drive a tractor either way on one, 4-wheel drive or otherwise. You doubt? Get out the plastic triangles from your high school drafting class or a protractor and look at a 60 degree angle. A thirty degree slope is about all that a 2-wheel drive tractor can negotiate, either up or down.

As to slippage: 2-wheel drive tractors will generally slip going down slope on a lesser slope than when going up due to weight transfer. Slipping on a down hill slope is generally more dangerous than slipping when going up hill because once your tires loose traction going down hill gravity will accellerate you quickly and you can easily loose control. If your tires loose traction while going up hill, usually you merely stop. Of course it takes some skill to either get started up hill again or back to the bottom when this happens.

Dean

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BillM (OH)

08-20-2005 13:14:45




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 Re: Going downhill in reply to Pooh Bear, 08-19-2005 21:53:10  
Bear: I've got a couple of steeps that I finish mow going downhill -- steep enough so tractor rears slide instead of turn -- hasn't hurt the engine yet -- oil pressure stays up - probably doesn't uncover pickup tube. That said, when doing this, you have to make sure you can steer well enough to keep the front wheels going straight down the hill and in front of the rears, because if you ever get sideways, ..... .....

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Denny (WI)

08-20-2005 04:34:03




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 Re: Going downhill in reply to Pooh Bear, 08-19-2005 21:53:10  
Pooh Bear if your just worried about the engine, shut her down and coast down the hill then restart it at the bottom?



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Willy-N

08-19-2005 22:15:09




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 Re: Going downhill in reply to Pooh Bear, 08-19-2005 21:53:10  
The Oil is not a problem but stopping or getting side ways is! On steep hills I back up them then you don't have to worry about the front end coming up in the process or spinning the nose around and getting side ways. Mark H.



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ozark mike

08-19-2005 22:58:42




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 Re: Going downhill in reply to Willy-N, 08-19-2005 22:15:09  
you lost me,,,,why would the front do anything but go forward, and as far as stopping,if you don`t have a tree, a fence, a rock or a ditch to go around, why would stopping be a problem? just go down straight and stay off the clutch, it will back pressure and hold you unless it is worn completely out.... the only thing that may happen is it jump out of gear...that could be shorts changin` reason..... ...mike

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Willy-N

08-20-2005 08:16:58




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 Re: Going downhill in reply to ozark mike, 08-19-2005 22:58:42  
If you had good adjusted brakes and not greasy ones that have a seal leaking that may lock up only one and swing the front end you would be OK. But going down a steep hill out of control only able to stop it when it slows down on the flat area at the bottom to me is asking for trouble. Murphys Law in things going wrong may kick in. Mark H.



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Pooh Bear

08-20-2005 01:10:43




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 Re: Going downhill in reply to ozark mike, 08-19-2005 22:58:42  
Basically my only concern is the oil.
I would only go over this bank frontwards.
It is about a 10 foot drop. Nothing in front of me.
Even if it popped out of gear I would be ok.
I wouldn't try to stop on this hill.
I would just be on the hill for a couple of seconds.
But I don't want to starve then engine for oil.

Thanks.

Pooh Bear



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ozark mike

08-20-2005 03:21:34




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 Re: Going downhill in reply to Pooh Bear, 08-20-2005 01:10:43  
Pooh,, what i put on here was not directed at you, but to the answer that you got before me....you will not hurt anything in the motor, oil wise.. as you said you will only be there a few seconds..... i`m still a newbee at this tractor driving thing too...50 years and still learning..... .if it don`t feel right don`t do it..number one safty tip..... ..mike



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Pooh Bear

08-20-2005 03:52:29




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 Re: Going downhill in reply to ozark mike, 08-20-2005 03:21:34  
That's good to know I won't hurt it.
I just put it in first gear and go over the hill.
Takes all of 3 seconds and I'm sitting level again.
Takes a lot longer to go around the long way.
When I come back up the hill I go around.

Thanks.

Pooh Bear



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ozark mike

08-20-2005 14:40:09




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 Re: Going downhill in reply to Pooh Bear, 08-20-2005 03:52:29  
Pooh as Dean said ,,60 degrees is a pretty hefty slope.....best to drive around....and he is more than right about wheel slippage. at that much slope anyway...went back and reread says 60 degrees, don`t know how i missed that.... thanks Dean for the wake-up.....mike



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