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OT: Rita PTO Generators

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Ramrod

09-26-2005 10:01:30




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My parents are without power for about a week or more due to Rita, but no property damage. I got to thinking about having a generator in the family for this stuff. It didn't take long to see that decent gas generators were way pricey, so I thought about you guys and remembered PTO driven generators. Took a look at Northern Tool and saw a 13kw unit that looks do-able. Question is, advisable or not, and how do I actually handle it? It looks to be without a frame, so it will need a small trailer or 3 point frame to make it usable it seems. I think Sounder has one, anybody else got any thoughts to share? How much run time can I expect at full load on my NAA's 15 gallons?

Ramrod

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gshadel

09-26-2005 13:15:03




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 Re: OT: Rita PTO Generators in reply to Ramrod, 09-26-2005 10:01:30  
Ram..
I looked real serious at those PTO generators after that Winter Storm last Christmas left me without power for 7 days. I looked at that same model in N.Tool that you are looking at. To make a long story short I decided to save my money to get a self contained generator for the following reasons:

1. The PTO units only save you a few hundred $$$ compared to a gas generator ~same size. By the time you get the PTO shaft, cart it or mount it, etc. not saving much money in that price range. The gas generator is tons more fuel efficient than running your NAA all the time, most generators that size will ramp-up and idle down based on load, and the engines are sized just for that job. Your NAA won't do a good job ramping up and down with load, and won't idle down, you will be running your NAA ~1/2-3/4 throttle to get 540 RPMs on the PTO.

2. I found a really good internet article from the Canadian Ag. guys talking about farm equipment failures from running PTO driven generators. The generator output is related to RPM accuracy (540 RPM PTO) and power demand. To much load, or too low RPMS, you get voltage drop or frequency drop, burns-up motors, compressors, etc. That article only recommended PTO generators if you were going to stand over the tractor to insure it ramped-up properly with load and maintained the proper RPM's range on the PTO to insure proper power output. They also recommended you get a PTO generator with a built-in Hertz and Volts meter so you can monitor the power output.

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Dan

09-26-2005 11:32:32




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 Re: OT: Rita PTO Generators in reply to Ramrod, 09-26-2005 10:01:30  
Sorry to hear about the family, but glad they are ok. I do not have any experience to add to this post other than the gas tank on an NAA tractor is 11 gallons...

I would look a renting unless you had a real use on a regular basis.

Good luck,
Dan



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old

09-26-2005 10:21:22




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 Re: OT: Rita PTO Generators in reply to Ramrod, 09-26-2005 10:01:30  
Run time will depend a lot on just have much power you will be useing in a given time. The higher the amp/watt draw the more fuel will be burned. You will also need to see how many HP is needed to run it at full power to see if a jub will have the guts to power it.



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Ramrod

09-26-2005 11:37:34




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 Re: OT: Rita PTO Generators in reply to old, 09-26-2005 10:21:22  
The 13kw required 24 hp to run it. That's a real good match for any N series.

Ramrod



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old

09-26-2005 15:01:08




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 Re: OT: Rita PTO Generators in reply to Ramrod, 09-26-2005 11:37:34  
Yep but maybe lacking just a tad if the pull gets to high.



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guest

09-26-2005 10:13:16




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 Re: OT: Rita PTO Generators in reply to Ramrod, 09-26-2005 10:01:30  
I saw one at the JD dealer. It had a 3 point frame
It was as expensive as one with a motor.
My guess is the 9N will use more gas...
9N would have to sit outside to run it...
George



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Mr Bill No. Mn.

09-26-2005 11:31:39




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 Re: OT: Rita PTO Generators in reply to guest, 09-26-2005 10:13:16  
Five people dead down in Texas do to running a generater in thier house for power."DON"T DO IT" Run any gen outside away from the house.-Bill



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Steve(OR)

09-26-2005 10:51:51




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 Re: OT: Rita PTO Generators in reply to guest, 09-26-2005 10:13:16  
I hope you wouldn't run ANY generator indoors - not just one powered by your 9N.



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stimw

09-26-2005 18:10:24




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 Re: OT: Rita PTO Generators in reply to Steve(OR), 09-26-2005 10:51:51  
Some thoughts from experience, last summer I went 12 days without power from hurricanes in Florida. I have a 5600 watt generator with an 11 hp Honda. I ran it for the 12 days shutting it off 2 times a day to check the oil and refuel. It used about 1/2 gal an hour and 4 oz of oil over 12 days. I made a double end plug and plugged it into my welder plug in my shop. ( 100 ft away from my home) I threw the main breaker and ran my home as normal. I ran the fridge, TV W/Satelite, lights as needed and 2 5000btu window units full time. I had to turn off 1 AC to use water because I have a well and the pump would trip the gen breaker. Had no hot water! If you buy a generator I recomend getting a Honda engine, they are more expensive but they are bullit proof and very well built. tim

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BillM (OH)

09-26-2005 19:56:21




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 Re: OT: Rita PTO Generators in reply to stimw, 09-26-2005 18:10:24  
I've got a small (4K) Honda that I bought many years ago for $200 from my BIL when he finished his building project up at his camp. It powers the entire house except for central air, including water pump, refrig., freezer, lights, TV's, furnace, etc. and is very reliable. power output is steady enough to run the computers even. I would not mess with a PTO unit for all the reasons above.....



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