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Questions on 2N, Help appreciated!!!

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Mike in Souther

10-03-2005 11:12:13




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Hey guys got a 2N last week. Not sure year, motor #’s do not match ANY tractor ever made. Must have came out of ??? It is '46 or '47 due to the radius front arms. Anyway, hydraulic lift works funny. For description sake, let’s say the lever moves 6” in its arc swing. 0 being the bottom, 6 being the top. It doesn’t start to rise till 5, and at 5.5 its cramming the drive shaft of my 5’ brush hog into the top of the deck (lifted all the way). Is this adjustable, and shouldn’t there be more “range” to the lift? It’s also hard to keep consistent height. Always too low or high. How much should it bleed down while traveling down the road? I drive about 3 miles to the farm (southern Indiana back roads, Sherman in high, 3rd gear, full throttle, all of 10-12 MPH ha/ha) and have to stop 3-5 times to engage PTO and raise lift. Is this normal or excessive? If I can rebuilt the pump or whatever and help this I will. The brakes are an issue as well. Removed ALL brake components and cleaned with Kerosene. Pads were covered in oil, grease, etc. Even used screwdriver to remove crap from recessed rivet holes. All back together, sealed to prevent future oil contamination, and they work fair I think. Are the pads too contaminated and in need of replacement? Shouldn’t I be able to turn the tractor with brakes? Left one work fine, but if wheel stops, it act’s as if it’s going to kill the motor. I figured there was a differential that would allow either wheel to stop and the other to turn. Any help appreciated, I figured this forum was the place to get best advice!!

Mike

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RussMO

10-03-2005 15:38:34




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 Re: Questions on 2N, Help appreciated!!! in reply to Mike in Southern Indiana, 10-03-2005 11:12:13  
Where are you in Indiana? I was born and raised in Evansville/



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Mike in Southern Indiana

10-03-2005 19:26:36




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 Re: Questions on 2N, Help appreciated!!! in reply to RussMO, 10-03-2005 15:38:34  
New Washington, just west of Madison. Little town, not even a stoplight yet.



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vtscott

10-03-2005 14:40:41




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 Re: Questions on 2N, Help appreciated!!! in reply to Mike in Southern Indiana, 10-03-2005 11:12:13  
I purchased a 2n this summer also, The hyds wouldn't hold the 5' hog very long either I just disconected the pto shaft and left the pto on to hold it up on the road. (I borrowed my friends mower which is about a mile away.) I started mowing and the same thing happened the mower would lift so high it cut through the plastic shaft guard. I had to buy him a new guard, $65.00.

I got some plans from this site for limiter chains and had a welder friend of mine make them. What a difference! set the chains and leave the lift lever down and don't look back.

Be careful these old tractors become addictive, I lost spark the other day and have not done any preperation for winter. (Still trying to figure how to get the N running again.) My wife thinks I am nuts.

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Timintexas

10-04-2005 08:53:43




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 Re: Questions on 2N, Help appreciated!!! in reply to vtscott, 10-03-2005 14:40:41  
So how do you keep the shaft guard from shredding when the mower is raised to the top? Limiter chains don't help with this, do they, except you don't have to lift it as often. What about traveling in the up position? Just disconnect the shaft? Thanks! Tim with the 5 piece plastic shaft guard.



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Mike in Southern Indiana

10-03-2005 19:24:24




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 Re: Questions on 2N, Help appreciated!!! in reply to vtscott, 10-03-2005 14:40:41  
vtscott,

As usual, everything I get into turns addictive, and expensive!!

Mike



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Mike in Southern Indiana

10-03-2005 12:55:55




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 Re: Questions on 2N, Help appreciated!!! in reply to Mike in Southern Indiana, 10-03-2005 11:12:13  
Thanks guys, I appreciate the responce. Never thought about the chain"s and what they are REALLY for. How about the brake issues?



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Jeb2N

10-03-2005 15:01:45




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 Re: Questions on 2N, Help appreciated!!! in reply to Mike in Southern Indiana, 10-03-2005 12:55:55  
Forget the "cam follower pin". There isn't one on a 9N or 2N. The only real "adjustment" that you have to a 9N or 2N is the four bolts that hold the lift lever to the lift housing. The holes are slotted allowing you to move the lever quadrant forwards or backwards. Might want to give that a bit of a try for adjustment.

As others have said, you only have draft control on a 2N. The 8N had both draft control and position control. You generally want position control on things like grading and mowing so limiter chains become a decent alternative solution.

Word is that if your lift will stay up for 20 minutes with the engine turned off and a decent load on it, then you have "braggin' rights". I just rebuilt my lift from the ground up and it will hold up a cordwood saw with only about 4" drop over a weekend or longer. An easy fix to fast leakdown is the later style NAA piston with a rubber o-ring instead of steel piston rings. It seals better and thus stays up longer.

Brakes are typically poor on the N's. While they were meant for turning assistance, if you are trying to go straight and you hit the brake without pushing the clutch in, you are basically trying to stop the motor. Mash the clutch in and hit the brake at the same time.

I'll let you in on a little secret. On the 9N and 2N, if you look on the Left brake cross shaft, just under the clutch is a little cast iron bent-finger that I like to refer to as "the widget". They put that little guy on there so that you only push the clutch pedal down 1/2 way to disengage the clutch. At the 1/2 way point, the clutch is out and the clutch pedal is now just hitting the top of the widget. If you continue to push the clutch pedal down, the widget begins to turn the left brake shaft just as if you were hitting the left brake pedal. Pretty slick, huh?! As for trying to kill the engine, is the brake sticking? see if hooking your toe underneath the pedal and pulling up helps things at all.

AS always, feel free to email me if you have more questions. Good luck to ya!

Jeb

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Rick H. Ga.

10-03-2005 11:47:54




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 One more thing in reply to Mike in Southern Indiana, 10-03-2005 11:12:13  
You do know that the 2N does not have position control on the hydraulic lift, don't you? The 9N and 2N only have the draft control, which may account for some of your issues with your lift.

Rick



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souNdguy

10-03-2005 11:47:35




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 Re: Questions on 2N, Help appreciated!!! in reply to Mike in Southern Indiana, 10-03-2005 11:12:13  
Ok.. 9n and 2n have draft control hyds.. not position control. Though your lift is a bit out of adjustment ( or has a worn cam folower pin ) it's operation is -almost- normal.. that is.. the hytrol handle is setting draft.. and all the way up/back is transport mode. As someone esle said erlier today.. Henry / harry designed that tractor to have a plow hanging back there.. probably not a mower.

That is also why the position is never the same on the lift.

Common way around this is to get check chains.. lift mower for transport.. set chains.. relaxe lift. Then re-set for mow height... mower always drops to the same point after yuo lift it, due to the chains limiting travel depth.

The leakdown is most likely a worn leaky hyds lift cyl / piston. Pull the round dipstick cover and look in with lift up under load.. if oil is running from the mouth of the cyl.. the top cover needs rebuilding.

Occasionally there is a leak at the top or bottom cover gasket, or the standpipe, or from the relief valve in the pump.. mostly it is the lift cover though.

Lift cover R&R is pretty easy and straight forward. Get a I&T fo4 manual.

Mostly it is disconnecting control valve, pulling top cover.. hone or replace lift cyl, replace old 3 ring piston with a new naa piston and oring and washer.

All gaskets, and a new piston and new relief valve come to less than 100$ add another 80-90$ if the cylinder is too hosed to use.

Figure 4-5 hours start to finish to R&R the top cover, usi9ng basic hand tools.. wrench, razor blades.. cleaners.. etc.

Slap in a new cam pin while the cover is off.

Soundguy

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Rick H. Ga.

10-03-2005 11:40:35




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 Re: Questions on 2N, Help appreciated!!! in reply to Mike in Southern Indiana, 10-03-2005 11:12:13  
Hi Mike,

Congratulations on the 2N. Chances are, your cam-follower pin is worn inside the lift cover causing the short range of operation.

The lift cover will have to be removed from the tractor to repair this.

If the lift quadrant has the 4 cap screws holding it in place, you might be able to loosen the screws and shift the quadrant forward or rearward and gain some adjustment. However, I am not as familiar with the 9N/2N lift as I am the 8N. HTH. Rick

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