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R Wyler

10-24-2005 11:16:47

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I would like to get a 2-14 for my 8n. I am familiar with plows Case trailer plows in particular so Ford and Fergie plows are new grounds for me. Is there anything better about one or the other? They look about the same to me. Is there any model that I should look for? I know of a use implement place that has lots of this type of thing I may look there sometime. Is a Fergie plow as good as a Dearborn? Thanks for any info. Richard

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Tim PloughNman Daley

10-25-2005 11:23:54

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Re: Dearborn and Ferguson plow questions in reply to R Wyler , 10-24-2005 11:16:47

Hey R.Wyler-
Any old Ferguson or Dearborn will work with your 8N. That being said, and with all due respect to the early plows ( Ford/Ferguson/Sherman ) as I own quite a few and like their design, I prefer to use the later Dearborn Economy Plows for actual plowing. They have engineering improvments over the Prior Model ( Moldboard Plow ) plus parts are still available. Scott Sweigard is a very good source. Look for a Dearborn Model 10-156 or similar. Going rate around here is around $250.00. Dearborn was absorbed by FORD directly in 1955 and plows got even better like the Ford 101 Plow. Caution - don"t try to pull a 3-bottom with your 8N- you need more ponies like a Jubilee or hundred series. Others may work too, as the original Ford ( Fergsuon/Sherman )plow was designed using Oliver parts, but Ford set the standard and everyone else tried to follow. HTH

Tim "PloughNman" Daley
*8N15513*

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R Wyler

10-25-2005 17:40:04

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Re: Dearborn and Ferguson plow questions in reply to Tim PloughNman Daley, 10-25-2005 11:23:54

Thanks for the info Tim sounds like you are a plow man as well I have always liked them. Yes 2-14s is all I will ever pull with mine. Richard

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Robert B. Barnes

10-24-2005 20:14:20

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Re: Dearborn and Ferguson plow questions in reply to R Wyler , 10-24-2005 11:16:47

I have the same plow as Dan but, my SN is just under 40,000. Worked well for wife's Father and Grandfather farming and for us too gardening. I know it's older than the 48 8N it goes on but it's still complete and working.

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R Wyler

10-24-2005 20:24:01

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Re: Dearborn and Ferguson plow questions in reply to Robert B. Barnes, 10-24-2005 20:14:20

That is neat how they have serial #s The plows I am accostomed to dont have them. It will be interesting to see what I come accross. Richard.

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Dan

10-24-2005 11:34:14

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Re: Dearborn and Ferguson plow questions in reply to R Wyler , 10-24-2005 11:16:47

Well - technically - you should have a Dearborn plow with an 8N and a Ferguson plow with a 9N/2N tractor. That said - I aquired theis 1941 Ferguson 14A plow with the "Ford" script on the frame and a perfect ID tag for my 1948 8N. It was missing the jointers and furrow wheel (which I have now obtained) and I am in the process of restoring it now. Although it was originally all dark grey - I will re-paint it 8N red.

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Either way, you will be in good shape with a good plow.

Good luck,
Dan

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Tim Daley

10-25-2005 10:39:14

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Re: Dearborn and Ferguson plow questions in reply to Dan, 10-24-2005 11:34:14

Dan-
Nice vintage Ford/Ferguson plow. I have a 1-bottom with cast FORD logo. They were made until 1941. Don't confuse early Ferguson/Sherman plows with Fergsuon plows made for the TO2O tractors after the split. All early plows were made by Ford, painted 9N gray, and Fergsuon/Sherman simply distributed them. Dearborn Motors became the Ford 8N supplier of accessories and implements and were painted 8N red. Of course either tractor can pull either or as that is what the 3-pt. system was designed for. Here's a picture of my early s/n Ferguson/Sherman 12B Plow that was once my grandfathers'. Note the smooth rolling landside; cast upright A-Frames; cast shares; and coulter holders cast right into the mainframe beams.

Tim "PloughNman"Daley
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Dan

10-25-2005 12:49:19

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Re: Dearborn and Ferguson plow questions in reply to Tim Daley, 10-25-2005 10:39:14

You ARE the man Tim. I am highly envious of the smooth rolling landslide - I could not locate one and had to take a hit on originality by getting a 4 bolt version. At least it was an original Ferguson wheel though...

I definately will not argue with you on Ferguson plow history (as I think you are the definative source), but the book "Ford Tractor Implements" states that Ferguson did not want to use Ford so he went to other suppliers. It was not until his other suppliers could not keep up with production schedules that he went to Ford to get these frames cast in 1940 and 1941 ONLY. This would mean Ferguson used other non-Ford suppliers from 1939 and part of 1940.

Either way - I am really impressed with your plow!

Dan

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Kelly Jewell (KY)

10-24-2005 19:19:13

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Re: Dearborn and Ferguson plow questions in reply to Dan, 10-24-2005 11:34:14

Dan, are you sure this plow is a 1941? I have one like it, but I've been told that Ford made the frame at the Rouge plant and included the Ford Script. Word was, Harry raised so much cain that they stopped using the script, as it was Harrys job to make all the implements. Also, Harry and the Sherman Bros. split in 1941. After 1941 the tag did not have Ferguson Sherman Mfg Co. I think you have a very early, possibly '39 plow that is very valuable. Mine has the original cast tail wheel, coulters, jointers and original two bolt top link and I wouldn't take $1000.00 for it....thanks, Kelly.

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Dan

10-25-2005 04:39:22

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Re: Dearborn and Ferguson plow questions in reply to Kelly Jewell (KY), 10-24-2005 19:19:13

Kelly - I got this info based on approxiimate serial number production schedules and from the book "Ford Tractor Implements" that states Ferguson only used Ford for a few years because of shortages in his other suppliers. I believe these two years were 1940 and 1941. It may be a 1940 model, but I was basing it off info I got from Tim PloughNman on his plows years and serial numbers.

Thanks for the reply,
Dan

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R Wyler

10-24-2005 17:11:37

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Re: Dearborn and Ferguson plow questions in reply to Dan, 10-24-2005 11:34:14

Thanks for the info Dan that is a nice plow you have there. What is a fair price for a complete plow? Yes GFord Dearborn is what I would preffer though if they have a nice Fergie I may get it. They look to be about the same plow. Does NH have parts for the Ford plows? I want one with coulters also hope I can find one that still has them. Richard.

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Dan

10-25-2005 04:46:05

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Re: Dearborn and Ferguson plow questions in reply to R Wyler, 10-24-2005 17:11:37

A fair price is what you'll pay for it. When I found this plow - the guy wanted $250 for it. I told him it was missing the jointers, the furrow wheel, and the shares were rounded at the points - so I would give him $200. He said NOPE - so I left. It is on the way to my property, so I would stop by every week or two with cash in hand and ask him - "Are you ready to get rid of that plow now?" and he always said NOPE. After about 6 months of this, I knew someone would come by and notice the rare Ford script on this plow and buy it - so my wife bought it for me for my birthday - and spent the $250 asking price. I have about $150 more in it getting the original jointers and furrow wheel assembly - and I know I could not get $400 if I wanted to sell it. But - I want it for my 1948 8N trailer queen (even though it "should" be a Dearborn) and I am restoring it for that purpose.

The best place I have found for antique Ford plow parts is Sweigert Brothers - they are VERY knowledgable and have a knack for finding these hard to find parts.

Good luck,
Dan

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R Wyler

10-25-2005 17:37:18

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Re: Dearborn and Ferguson plow questions in reply to Dan, 10-25-2005 04:46:05

Thanks Dan I called up that implement place today and to my suprise all he has are 16s and I figured he would have lots of them. Looks like you have a nice early example that will make a nice addition to your 8n. After I get a plow all I will lack is new paint/decals and a Sherman combo if someone wants to donate me the $$ for the thing ;>) Richard

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Scott PA

10-24-2005 17:49:43

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Re: Dearborn and Ferguson plow questions in reply to R Wyler, 10-24-2005 17:11:37

Yes, NH has most shares, coulter discs, coulter bearings, and Dearborn tailwheel, the most common style is the 12B Ferg. or 10-8 Dearborn 12" sod and clay, the next most common is the 14R Ferg. or 10-1 Dearborn 14" general purpose, if you did not want to spend much on repair parts the Dearborn Economy plow like a 10-156 or Ford 101 plow shares, landsides and shins are priced nice.

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R Wyler

10-24-2005 20:21:21

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Re: Dearborn and Ferguson plow questions in reply to Scott PA, 10-24-2005 17:49:43

Thanks for the info that is very good to know. I guess I will have to go look and see what I can find. A nice Ford Dearborn would be best I imagine if I can find a good one. Haveing parts available is worth alot. Richard

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Carl S in NH

10-24-2005 15:48:08

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multiple pic posting question in reply to Dan, 10-24-2005 11:34:14

I know how to post a pic here and all that, but how do you get 2 or 3 pics to come up all in the same post? I figure I'm not the only one that can benefit from the answer, so if you could explain it, I'd certainly appreciate it!
Carl S.

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Pooh Bear

10-24-2005 19:39:02

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Re: multiple pic posting question in reply to Carl S in NH, 10-24-2005 15:48:08

To get more than one pic in a post
Just use the code to post pics more than one time.
You post a picture using the (img src= ) code.
Just post several images like that.
(img src="www.pic1.jpg")
(img src="www.pic2.jpg")
(img src="www.pic3.jpg")

If you don't know how to use that code
I have a tutorial to help.
Pooh's Tiny Pic Tutorial

Pooh Bear

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