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9nrich

10-28-2005 19:55:27




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I have a 6 foot rototiller. The ground speed is to fast for the tiller to work right. Will a sherman trans help? are there any available?




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jimNCal

10-29-2005 09:41:24




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 Re: Sherman trans-----I have a Howard I'd sell in reply to 9nrich, 10-28-2005 19:55:27  
Rich,

As others have said, Shermans effect your PTO speed the same proportion as your ground speed. NO good for tilling. The Howard gear reduction IS the way to go AND for about the same price of a good Sherman Combo, I'll sell you a Howard unit with new bearings. That said, your 9N is much too underpowered to run a 6 foot tiller unless you have just plain sandy soil. In THAT case, why not just drag a springtooth with a smoothing bar over it and save yourself a LOT of time, expense, and trouble. My .02 HTH jim

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Ken Crisman

10-29-2005 01:14:24




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 Re: Sherman transmission in reply to 9nrich, 10-28-2005 19:55:27  
There's a sherman transmission in the classified ads list to your left . Take your time installing it . Don't be afraid to ask for help . Ken



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Dean

10-28-2005 21:53:33




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 Re: Sherman transmission in reply to 9nrich, 10-28-2005 19:55:27  
I agree with Paul. Ns are not well suited to roto tilling, Sherman equipped or otherwise. The rare Howard would make one passable for a small tiller but you will need at least an 860 for a 6 foot tiller. An 8x1 with a Select-O-Speed would be even better due to the extremely low speeds available.

Dean



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Paul in MN

10-28-2005 21:47:09




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 Re: Sherman transmission in reply to 9nrich, 10-28-2005 19:55:27  
I regularly service an 8N with the Howard gear set. It is a speed reduction that occurs behind the transmission and affects only the power delivered to the ring & pinion. It slows down the wheel speed considerably without affecting the PTO speed. The Sherman is ahead of the main transmission and steps up or down the PTO speed at the same ratio as it affects the wheel speed.
The probable problem with the Howard gear set is that any time you reduce the wheel speed compared to engine speed, you increase the torque to the wheels by the same ratio. In other words if you have 1/2 the wheel speed in 1st gear, then you have the potential to deliver 2x the torque. Fortunately the usual tire slipping on the ground will limit this torque. But as we all know, some folks will fill tires with fluid and maybe add weights to get more traction, and that can be a real problem. With the great increase in torque (with sufficient ballast weight on the rear tires) the tractor can rise up and flip over backwards, or less tragic....merely break the ring gear or an axle.

Now to your question re the 6 ft tiller... Please check the HP requirements for operating such a large tiller. Of course this will vary with your soil type, previous tillage, what has been planted on the soil, soil moisture, and intended depth of tillage. I would expect that a 6 ft tiller would need a 60 HP(or more) tractor to adequately handle it. Remember also that you will need some of your N's 23 HP to move the tractor and tiller forward, besides the HP required just to turn the tiller. And you are getting that 23 HP at almost full throttle, giving you way too much forward speed for tilling.

I'd use a bigger tractor or a smaller tiller.

Paul in MN

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old

10-28-2005 21:03:06




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 Re: Sherman transmission in reply to 9nrich, 10-28-2005 19:55:27  
Well thats a yes no and sort of question. If you put in a sherman it also slows down the pto speed along with your ground speed so it may help or it may not.



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Coldiron

10-28-2005 20:16:11




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 Re: Sherman transmission in reply to 9nrich, 10-28-2005 19:55:27  
Rich, Some will say yes and some will say you dont need it, just make more passes. The fact is that Howard made a gear set up that would slow the N series tractors down to the right speed to accomodate their tiller. I believe that would be the right set up that you are trying to get. Very hard to find but occasionally one will show up. They are usually on a tractor already though. In my opinion the Sherman combo that is in my 51 8n will NOT slow it down enough in hard soil to rototill in one pass down to tine depth.

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