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Dells well but my computer ain't, long

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Dell (WA)

11-08-2005 10:52:21




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Guys..... ...donnno where or how, hadda new VIRUS WARNING BOX pop-up. Wasn't my usual Norton warning box. After 4-pop-up warnings and clicking the delete virus box as fast as they popped-up; I decided I was in "major mojo". I couldn't get my computer to disconnect from the internet. I couldn't "kill AOL". My harddrive "blink'em-lite" was going like gang-busters. My modem monitor was going like gang-busters too, somebody reading my computer? The computer frontpanel on/off wouldn't work eather. I finally pulled the AC wall plug and that turned everything OFF and CORRUPTED some bootfiles.

Final analysis, I was going to have to Fdisk and reload all my "bundled programs".

I thought I kept good back-up disks, and kept my virus's up-to-date. And while I don't consider myself a major computer geek, I ain't fraid off'em eather. I had a buncha data files that I didn't want to loose and much to my consternation, I didn't have any data back-up disks saved.

I eventually mounted my 21GB corrupted HD into an OLDER computer and saved the data files onto a 3GB drive. I ran abuncha diagonostics thru my old computer and confirmed my suspicions "corrupted files". Did all the recommended "fixxitt" and even went out and bought some new computer books and read them. (all else fails, read the instructions!)

One book was 1500 pages; I got at 1/2 price book store. It had some major information about my windows operating system and some very interesting "tweeks" for improved performance. (they worked too)

I even got to do some DOS command line commands like I was doing back in 1996.

For the non-geeks, Fdisk is a MAJOR and drastic command on harddisks. It like "erases" everything. But I read-up on it and thought I understood all the steps and bravely went where only the brave go. And I got back this answer. Unable to Fdisk!!! Seems that my Fdisk doesn't recoggnize 21GB harddrives, it stops at 8GB. I bit the bullett and got "Partition Commander" $50 to handle that problem. Except Part-Cmdr didn't like my 21GB disk eather.

I then went to CompUSA to enquire about having them "format" my harddisk. Yeah, for $71 and we have to have your whole computerbox to do it. And I am like standing there with my harddisk in hand. I don't want them muckin' with my computer.

So I went home and re-installed the 21GH harddrive in my computer and sunn-uffa-gunn, my faster virus infected? computer fired up. I ran Norton's AntiVirus and it identified 4-infected files and deleted them. I then started doing major checks and found out I lost most of my Norton Computer-Checker programs. They were still on the harddrive but I was un-able to figgure out how to "link" to them. I told you, I wasn't a major computer-geek.

And since my Norton's 2001 came "bundled" with the computer, I didn't have any CD program disks to re-load with. Back to the computer store. Bought the new $100 version of Norton's 2005. Loaded it and started checking my computer. Norton kept insisting I needed to "activate". I don't have a problem with activation once I get my ISP connected up. Right now, I'm still missing 3-major Norton computer checkout programs..... sigh

I probably have 70 pages of handwritten notes of steps performed and checks run and $200 of books and programs. Its been a learning and re-learning experience. I still have some more checking and re-loading to do. It probably would have been eazier to BUY NEW COMPUTER, but what fun would that be?

Thanks to all that expressed their concerns, I appreciate that..... ...Dell

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Tom Daniels

11-09-2005 02:58:44




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2005 10:52:21  
Dell, whenever I run into virus problems I go to the website www.geekstogo.com Then go to their forum. Those guys can get you out of any virus situation, and the price is right.
One who's been there...Tom



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John (TR)

11-08-2005 18:44:19




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 XP user for the right reason (grin) in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2005 10:52:21  
Aaaaaa aaaaa aaaaa aaaaahhhhh hhhhh hh !!!
Win ME Bad OS, Bad OS.
Dell, dump that bad experiment for XP you'll be much happier and have more time for the tractor.
Computer Associates, uses much less space and memory, updates reliably 19.99 @ Walmart
XP already has a firewall, don't need to buy that.
M$ has an anti spyware program in Beta and is a free down load and works well. Like the others say, boot from the CD and you will get the option to format the disk. M$ wants everyone off of FAT32 when you rebuild with XP if the HDD is over a certain size (I think 20gb) XP will only offer to format in NTFS. That's a whole nuther discussion, most of the bennies of NTFS don't apply unless you are in a corp enviroment and you want lock'er down and play with different user rights to directories. Your puter, your call.
I believe you can out think it and creating partitions within the install and run with Fat32 iffin that's what you want.
Me, small partion for OS, on FAT32 like 10 gig which I back up with Ghost on another Fat32 partion. Data partion is big and on NTFS. Additional drives are NTFS. When the OS crashes which is not often, reinstall the OS but the data is not lost
Simple eh?
Hint, create a user account without Admin rights. Log on with that and surf the net, harder for bad stuff to get installed through the back door if you are running an account without admin rights! Save you Admin account for upgrades and installs. XP has a native restore point system that some report as good working. Me, I know 12 ways to back it up.
If you don't want the XP restore point be sure to turn it off as it's like a bad realtive and just keeps taking more and more space.
John, XP user for the right reason
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TheOldHokie

11-09-2005 04:47:41




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 Re: XP user for the right reason (grin) in reply to John (TR), 11-08-2005 18:44:19  
While I make all my file systems NTFS, file permissions are totally incomprehensible to most home PC users (and a fair number of computer pros). NTFS permissions are very powerfull and complex and as a result strange and unexpected results can be obtained if you're not careful. It's very easy to break things and not so easy to fix so I don't recommend NTFS for home PC users.

I totally agreee that if you are running NT 4.0 or later you need a non-priviliged user account separate from the Administrator account that you logon to for everyday usage. That alone is probably Greek to many here.

TOH

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TheOldHokie

11-08-2005 17:42:43




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2005 10:52:21  
Dell it's usually good to let folks know what operating System you are running when you describe these problems. I'm guessing W98 from the sounds of things.

FDISK does a lot of things but doesn't really erase a HD - just writes a new partition table and file system structures onto the drive making most "erased" files difficult but not impossible to retrieve (just in case you ever need to meet with the IRS ;-)

There's a lot of different versions of FDISK running around, and not all can handle FAT32 file systems. As mentioned by others the BIOS on some older PC's can't address partitions over 8G and some operating system (NT 4.0 for example) setup programs do not support system partitons over 2G (FAT) or 4G (NTFS). If you have one of those PC's/OS's you need to use FDISK or similar to create a primary partition of appropriate size and format it with a FAT16/32 file system. You install the OS on that partition. Then use FDISK or similar to create a second partiton and format it FAT16/32 in the remainder of the unused space. That will then show up as the E: drive or some such.

For quite some time now many Windows OS installation CD's are bootable if your PC hardware supports booting from CD. In that case just hit F2 (or whatever) on powerup to get into setup - enable the CDROM drive for booting, pop in the Windows CD, restart, and follow the easy GI prood instructions keeping in mind the restrictions already discussed. No FDISKing needed. Easy eh?

At the risk of starting an OS holy war I will say that my personal professional advice (I been doing this computer stuff for over 30 years now) is to bite the bullet and upgrade to Windows XP Pro assuming your hardware is reasonable (1Ghz, 128MB or better should be enough) Vastly easier to maintain and protect. XP Home edition is severely crippled - not worth the $150 savings IMO although my kids don't seem to mind.

HTH,

TOH

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Hobo,NC

11-08-2005 16:19:46




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2005 10:52:21  
My bet wuz you were still trying to figger out how to install a “link trap”, good thing no one took me up on the bet. Can’t help ya much with yer puter. I have a good fried that the x-pert so call’em and he performs magic, what ever he says I need I git even buy’em one to. He just installed a Netwerk storage center that’s spose to back up all my puter’s each day so iffin they crash I have all my stuff stored. He lead me to a place that sells rebuilt puters, Emachines izz the name and fer around $300 you kin git a real nice puter. At that price I don’t mess wit’em I think tiger direct izz the name of the store were ya git’em. The not activated pop up from Norton is a glitch and I don’t pay enny attention to it. I buy a new Norton deal every year and don’t mess with update’in my old Norton on line. Iffin you had 2001 Norton it wuz way behind even iffin you were keep’in it updated. That’s my take and I don’t know squat bout a puter.

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Jay 2NSC

11-08-2005 16:15:41




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2005 10:52:21  
Glad you are ok, sorry to here about the puter.
Jay 2NSC



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WI Craig

11-08-2005 15:55:33




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2005 10:52:21  
As far as activation goes. Mine went on for months saying I had to activate Norton. Finally it stated that my trial period had ended. What???? Trial period, I just bought the fricken thing. Called Norton, this has been a problem and there is a fix to down load on their site. If your not sure about what to do, call and they"ll walk you through it. Free & easy. As far as your viruses, gotta watch what tractor pictures you"re downloading. Grin. Craig

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hvw

11-08-2005 15:26:57




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2005 10:52:21  
Dell, there could be four reasons for your non-runnin' computer,

1. Hard disk is bad: not yer stated problem
2. Internet bill not paid: Not yer stated problem
3. No power to conmputer: not yer stated problem
4. Virus: Sound like yer problem? Solution is intuitively obvious. Reload yer programs and git a Norton update. Easy, eh? (Welcome back).



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Dan

11-08-2005 16:12:04




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to hvw, 11-08-2005 15:26:57  
BWAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA

I sure wish I'd thought of that! I almost spit tea out my nose - good one.

Dan



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FarmerDawn

11-08-2005 17:22:03




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Dan, 11-08-2005 16:12:04  
You were drinking TEA!?!?!?! Bwahahahahah!!! :-)



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very good . . . Dell (WA)

11-08-2005 15:38:01




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to hvw, 11-08-2005 15:26:57  
a very clever and appreciated parody..... ...Dell



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Dave H (NY)

11-08-2005 14:46:44




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2005 10:52:21  
Hey Dell, glad to see you're back up and running. I too missed your input on so many posts that I know would have been handled in your style and expertise that I have grown to enjoy and look forward to seeing.



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valhallareject

11-08-2005 14:43:56




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2005 10:52:21  
ja ja....makin mit the vinger verpokin ist nicht zu gut fur das licht verblinkin und dem diskuns verspinnin. Bigger hammers are always the answer. I don't mind reformatting the occassional hard drive....but jumpin jehosephat....on a 160G hard drive you can almost take a vacation, visit with the mudder-in-law, and learn how to knit six different ways before it gets done!! All I know is...despite firewalls, anti-virus software, ad aware programs, and spybot annihalators there are some pretty darn clever individuals out there that still manage to make our lives awfully exciting. For my money I've given up on Norton as being too snobbish and hoggish of computer resources for the simpler, kinder Computer Associates eTrust stuff. If they are going to throw me and my computer to the lions anyway....I'll be darned if I can figure out a good reason to go wearing a ton of Norton chain! Glad to hear you got things "under control", Mr. Dell.....and that all is well. Hopefully this time will be the last time....yeah right!!

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vtscott

11-08-2005 14:37:54




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2005 10:52:21  
Welcome back, AVG is a good service, I used it on my old machine for years, and its free. Ever think about a Mac?



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FarmerDawn

11-09-2005 08:32:29




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to vtscott, 11-08-2005 14:37:54  
Aha! I knew there had to be another Mac user here somewhere! We will refrain (barely) from gloating together. :-)



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Mark Garcia

11-08-2005 14:37:21




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 Welcome Back :) in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2005 10:52:21  
Like alot of us who visit this site on a daily basis, the exitement of reading the posts and answers just were not the same without the Followup from Dell(WA). While reading many of the posts this last week, I often wondered how Dell (WA) would answer this question, or what clever response he would come up with. (Keep in mind I say this with a smile). Alot of us don't realize the effort involved with answering our questions, some easy, some difficult and most ofter very repetative. I speak for myself in saying, I appreciate the patience, knowledge and expertise Dell brings to this discussion board. (As well as every one else) Glad to see your back and I hope the computer nonsense works itself out. :)

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Carl S in NH

11-08-2005 14:23:28




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 Re: Dell's well but my computer ain't in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2005 10:52:21  
Dell,
We're all glad that you're okay. I'm sure I wasn't the only that was worrying about what had happened. I'm glad it was only your computer that had a virus, and not you! You'll have a lot of posts to read now to catch up!
I'm still running Win 98 SE on my main computer, and have Win 98 on my 2nd computer. It's a little more work maintaining an old system, but after all these years I know it pretty well. Someday I'll have to break down and get a new computer and learn XP.... oh well!
Glad to have your expertise and witticisms back on board!
Carl S.

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TIMW(PA)

11-08-2005 13:59:29




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2005 10:52:21  
If you REALLY want to erase all the info on a hard drive FDISK alone might not do it. Neither will a format. Most HD manufactures websights will have a ZERO-FILL program (Sometimes called low level format)for your specific HD. That program writes a zero to each and every memory location effectively erasing all data.Some viruses and even some microsoft programs-(serial nuber registrations) will write info to the root directory where it stays unless deleted. After you zero fill it then you have to fdisk it and re format. There was a fix for FdiSking larger HDs but I cant recall it right now...sorry...Hope that helped...Tim

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DavidO

11-09-2005 04:12:20




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to TIMW(PA), 11-08-2005 13:59:29  
Tim you are right about what Zero-Fil does, but IT IS NOT THE SAME as low level format. You do not normally need to, nor should you try to, low level format IDE drives.



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TIMW(PA)

11-09-2005 04:25:16




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to DavidO, 11-09-2005 04:12:20  
yep I know they aren't the same but people often use the term interchangably. I agree it is not a "normal" thing to do but when the situation calls for it thats what you need. just as an aside I have this student addition of microsofts office. you can reformat the HD and everything but each time you go to reistall it you have to call microsoft for a new serial number and explain why you are reinstalling it. Come to find out they write info to the root DIR to track it. When it gets zero filled that info is wiped out and its like the first time and you can use the original serial number. And I can also say that this has been the most stable install of the OS that I've ever had too....just my experience....Tim

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DavidO

11-09-2005 09:11:01




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to TIMW(PA), 11-09-2005 04:25:16  
Way to go, but don't try that with the full blown version of Office. It uses an entirely different method of preventing it from being reinstalled.



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Dell (WA)

11-08-2005 15:44:23




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to TIMW(PA), 11-08-2005 13:59:29  
Tim..... ....don't think that I ever got Fdisk to run, 'cuz I didn't haffta reload enny programs. ('cep Norton's) Yeah, there's a Fdisk for large disks. Sumptin like Fdisk32e but I ain't gottitt yet. I'm just pleased to be back on the tractor board..... ....Dell



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Russ SoCal

11-08-2005 13:55:03




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 Speedier readin' in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2005 10:52:21  
So, a 1500 page book at 1/2 off is 750 pages. Right? ; ^ )
Russ



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Mr Bill No. Mn.

11-08-2005 13:32:06




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2005 10:52:21  
Sorry to hear about the computer problems and glad all is weel on your end- Bill



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justin d

11-08-2005 13:26:08




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2005 10:52:21  
Been there, done that many of times. My brother-in-law has a way of corrupting his computer in more ways that one would think possible. He drops the computer off at my place everytime for me to fix. I don"t mind but when it is all said and done it normally takes me a week of spending every evening working on the dang thing. He never has anything backed up either so I have to try and salvage what files I can. The last time it happened, I pointed him towards dell.com and told him that it was time for him to get rid of his old machine. I think a good portion of his problem was that he was running a lot of games and other programs that were a little too modern for his old machine. I haven"t been hearing from him as often since he got his new one. However, it is about time for my phone to start ringing again.

I am glad that you are back up and running Dell. It is always a good learning experience to work with technology. Most people just get to frustrated and never finish the job. I am glad to hear that you stuck through it and got it fixed.

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John (TR)

11-08-2005 18:47:57




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to justin d, 11-08-2005 13:26:08  
I recently bought a shirt at www.thinkgeek.com and it says "NO I won't fix your computer". I wear it at family events, everyone thinks its funny. The one user I picked it out for doesn't get the message.



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FarmerDawn

11-08-2005 13:05:39




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2005 10:52:21  
Welcome back, Dell! I'm so glad you got your computer running again!



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RussMO

11-08-2005 12:15:03




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2005 10:52:21  
Use AVG antiVirus sofware and Adaware anti-ad software. They are better than most and both are free to download and use. They will automatically up date definitions and protect your unit fron Virus and adware. If you are using Windows XP, Microsoft has an excellent anti adware BETA package that is also free "for now". Get in on Microsoft's website. And keep the operatering systems updated and it will eliminate those problems...

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RussMO

11-08-2005 12:21:21




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to RussMO, 11-08-2005 12:15:03  

Adaware:
Link

AVG: Link



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Tom in Iowa

11-08-2005 12:14:35




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2005 10:52:21  
Dell...I'm just glad you weren't missing due to joining that BIG TRACTOR IN THE SKY yet!!
Good to have you back,
Tom



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Rick H. Ga.

11-08-2005 12:10:30




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2005 10:52:21  
Hi Dell,

Do you mean to tell us that all that was not intuitively obvious :-) ?

Well, at least you read and understood. And, you learned something new in the process.

Glad to see you back!

Rick



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Deane

11-08-2005 11:27:28




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2005 10:52:21  
From support.microsoft.com:
Although the FAT32 file system supports hard disks up to 2 terabytes in size, some hard disks may not be able to contain bootable partitions that are larger than 7.8 GB because of limitations in your computer"s basic input/output system (BIOS) INT13 interface. Please contact your hardware manufacturer to determine if your computer"s BIOS supports the updated INT13 extensions.
Your bios doesn"t support over 8gb hd probably.

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Dell (WA)

11-08-2005 15:56:31




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Deane, 11-08-2005 11:27:28  
Deane..... ....oooh....oooh, I might have changed a BIOS switch while I was rompin-n-stompin. Haffta check it out. BIOS INT13 huh?

My old Dell Optiplex GMT-5166 that I was using for a mule (check-out computer) definately wouldn't have INT13 support. This current computer is a Dell Dimension XPS-T500 with Windows Millimnillium Edition as an operating system and FireFox for internet brouser..... ...Dell

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Deane

11-08-2005 12:00:22




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Deane, 11-08-2005 11:27:28  
Just noticed, if it was working before can't be bios. Sorry bout that.



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Bruce (VA)

11-08-2005 10:57:48




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2005 10:52:21  
Glad you're back. Mine went belly-up two weeks ago when I tried to load free McAfee virus software offered by my cable company. I'm now an expert at translating computer-geek lingo spoken by some guy in New Dehli..... ..



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Tom in Iowa

11-08-2005 12:16:09




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Bruce (VA), 11-08-2005 10:57:48  
Ain't that the truth. I have a friend who says no matter who you call for service or a question...Visa, other credit card and computer folk...guess what...you talk to New Delhi!!!
Tom



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souNdguy

11-08-2005 11:03:21




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Bruce (VA), 11-08-2005 10:57:48  
Ditto. I just had to setup a new system for my wife after her computer has been slowly dieing... and all tech support was from india. What's worse.. is .. I'm not computer iliterate.. I was there back in te 80's and 90's banging out code on cold iron dos and CPM days.. all command line stuff, and basic / quick basic.. etc... and this new stuff.. with an indian accent.. is hard to understand.

Soundguy

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gahorN

11-11-2005 10:14:32




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to souNdguy, 11-08-2005 11:03:21  
And to make matters WORSE.... the guvmint now uses their PRIVATIZATION incentives to outsource the management of the SOCIAL SECURITY system to...you guessed it...INDIA! (Talk about an indentity-theft security risk!) GRrrrr. Dell, glad you're back. N-Fords don't run as smooth without knowing Zane and you are lurking somewhere nearby. (I had a similar computer-horror immediately after loading Norton NIS 2005 last spring. NIS 2005 is JUNK, especially to a small-time, personal computer operation. It's intended for large corporate networks, apparently.) Lost a whole week restoring my computer to the previous 2003 version, and then it took a month to get Norton to refund my money.)

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souNdguy

11-08-2005 10:56:57




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2005 10:52:21  
Good to have you back big guy.

Soundguy



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Tim...Ok

11-08-2005 11:03:00




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to souNdguy, 11-08-2005 10:56:57  
Great to see ya back on Dell,we were startin to get pretty concerned..

Tim



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Tim...Ok

11-08-2005 11:02:50




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to souNdguy, 11-08-2005 10:56:57  
Great to see ya back on Dell,we were startin to get pretty concerned..

Tim



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Tom Craig

11-08-2005 17:02:43




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 Re: Dells well but my computer ain't, long in reply to Tim...Ok, 11-08-2005 11:02:50  
Hello Dell: I am a fairly new guy on this forum, and new to the 8n too. Always looked forward to your wit and wisdom on the forum, and also was wondering were you were. Glad your back. Tom Craig. Massachusetts



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