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oliver_newbie

11-09-2005 19:33:21




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A few posts back Dell commented on his favorite diode 1N4001 and difficulty mounting. (For the record I'm more of a 1N916 kind of guy)

“They have to be insulated and have their body supported so the solid wires don't flex and vibrated and break. This is a trivial matter for enny techno-geek, but challenges the electrical neubie; therefore I generally don't recommend the diode trick and recommend the idiot-lite trick (using a trailer makerlite with built-in wires) like General Motors intended.”

I’m still a tractor newbie but I’ll share this old trick for mounting diodes on machinery. Go buy a full wave bridge in a 1” square package with a bolt hole in the center and fast-on tabs. about $3.00 from digikey.

Example would be >Link

Just connect the input wire to either of the AC terminals and the output wire to the + plus terminal using good old auto fast-on tabs. Never mind the other terminals ya don need ‘m here. You are only using one of the 4 diodes in the bridge but for 3 bucks do you really care? I’ll take the solid mounting any day….

And thanks to everbody here! I’m tackling fluids in all the toys this weekend, I’m sure I’ll be back with questions !

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HTR

11-09-2005 21:41:36




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 Re: Dell's diodes in reply to oliver_newbie, 11-09-2005 19:33:21  
If you are putting a 10si three wire Delco on a old tractor, you need some sort of adapter to plug to the two spades. So, why not go to a alternator repair shop, and pay three to four dollars for an adapter with a build in diode, and an attached sense wire. Plug it in, hook the sense wire, and crimp the excite wire to the diode wire. Simple, cheap and almost undetectable.



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Dell (WA)

11-09-2005 20:00:23




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 Re: Dell's diodes in reply to oliver_newbie, 11-09-2005 19:33:21  
Ollie..... .....CAUTION: selecting the "wrong" tabs of yer fullwave bridge will pass the volts THRU the bridge from the guttz of the alternator to the ignition coil and you will NOT beable to turn yer engine OFF. Bridges have polarity, just like diodes and batterys.

As I said, mounting a single diode is trivial to a techo-geek. I must be one, since I built my first radio receiver in 1952. Thats over 50yrs of electronics, and you know what? I still gitt that solid state diode installed backwards sometimes.

That is why I recommend the "idiot-lite" 'cuz it works NO matter which way you wire in the litebulb wires.

You only need about 0.1-amp of switched excite current to make the 3-wire alternator start charging in less than 1-second of excitation. Once the alternator starts charging, the diode has NOTHING to do until you want to turn yer engine OFF. And since it is "reversed", it won't pass enny volts/amps and yer ignition coil will STOP-SPARKIN' and yer engine stops turning when you turn yer ignition key OFF. Amazing, eh?..... ...respectfully, Dell, retired Boeing Flight Test Engineer and 50yrs techo-geek

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Jim Cox

11-10-2005 16:54:54




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 Re: Dell's diodes in reply to Dell (WA), 11-09-2005 20:00:23  
Hey Dell, for all you've done for us, here's a link ( you've probably already seen )

Jim Cox



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rbell

11-10-2005 02:52:04




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 Re: Dell's diodes in reply to Dell (WA), 11-09-2005 20:00:23  
Hey Dell your back :-) They said you lost your memory to some nasty viri going round.
Say if voltage has a polarity with respect to ground, would not the inverse be true? I.E. Ground has a polarity with respect to voltage
Smirk sniggle hee hee



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K.LaRue-VA

11-09-2005 19:54:35




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 Re: Dell's diodes in reply to oliver_newbie, 11-09-2005 19:33:21  
My tractor has the original type ign switch that is just on/off with no ACC terminal. So, I had to use either a relay or a diode, even though I wired my alt field through a light. A relay would have been hard to conceal and mount so I went with a small diode. To get around the vibration issue, I just soldered on some #14 stranded to extend the solid wires, slipped heat shrink over the bare wires, and taped the diode to the outside of the other wires in the harness.

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