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Got tractor going, here's what I've found...

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Alvin Roberts (

11-13-2005 08:11:45




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I have finally got my new 47 8N running fairly well and here are the things that I have found...

I changed the hydraulic fluid and got the lift to go up finally, but it won't come back down now...I checked the intake control valve and exhaust control valve and they both move in and out in relation to the lever position. Not sure what to do from here?

Oil pressure at startup reads 45-50 lbs but gradually drops off as the engine heats up down to around 25-30 lbs. Sometimes maybe a bit lower. I think this is okay?

I have some smoke coming from the oil filler/breather cap...not a lot but some...I assume this means rings are worn?

The tractor runs great when cold but after 30 minutes to an hour after it's been running it really gets rough and usually I have to pull out the choke some to keep it running and then it smoothes out for awhile. Not sure what this is all about. The tractor has new plugs, new wires, new ignition switch...I did not change the points or condensor which may be what I need to do. I did clean the points with some sandpaper. What do ya'll think?

The clutch does not disengage as soon as I push the pedal. Sometimes it can take up to 10-15 seconds before it will disengage. I'm thinking it's sticking to the flywheel because the front seal is leaking gear lube onto the clutch disk.

I suppose that's about it for now...at least, these are the main problems I need to address I think. If anyone has any input on any of these, please let me know. I'm totally new to this and can use all the help I can get!

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Dell (WA)

11-13-2005 09:14:01




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 Re: Got tractor going, here's what I've found... in reply to Alvin Roberts (MS), 11-13-2005 08:11:45  
Alvin..... ...smoke coming from the breather cap after start-up is usually STEAM from engine oil being heated up. You do realize that water is a natural by-product of combustion, don't you? Very noticable on cold frosty mornings right after start-up. Your engine needs to run at least 30mins for the oil to completely heat-up and drive out/evaporate water in the oil.

Oil pressure readings are normal and good.

Missing after 30mins of runtime, you've gott a weak sparkies issue. Heres the deal, by pullin' yer choke, you enrich yer carb mixture. Rich carb mixture is eazier for the weak sparkies to sparkle.

Causes of weak sparkies? Usually the squarecan ignition coil. But ignition points are also a cheap ($5) prime suspect too. Sandpapering yer points, while it gottcha going, ain't a good deal 'cuz they will just corrode faster and cause weak sparkies because sandpaper widens the points gap. More better you use a dollarbill between the points to polish the corrosion off for hotter sparkies.

You do realize itza 2-bolt, 15min job to remove yer frontmount ignition so you can change yer points on yer kitchen table, don't you? Points gap is 0.015". Just un-clippie yer 4-nipple cap and letter dangle, and un-bolt. Yer distributor is driven by an OFF-SET cam tang drive scheme and can only be installed correctly and intime. Just gently finger start yer distributor bolts and rotate yer rotor until everything drops into place. Now tighten yer distributor 2-bolts; and re-snap yer crabcap. No timing required. Simple, eh?..... .....respectfully, Dell, yer self-appointed sparkie-meister

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Alvin Roberts (MS)

11-13-2005 16:48:43




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 Re: Got tractor going, here's what I've found... in reply to Dell (WA), 11-13-2005 09:14:01  
Dell, I will order a tune up kit and change out the points condensor and all that good stuff. I figured I needed to do that anyhow. As far as the smoke from the cap it's also blowing a bit of oil out. It blows out onto my oil filter can. It may be from the cap itself though because it's pretty nasty. I never cleaned it up so maybe I'll try that. Thanks for your help!



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Carl S in NH

11-13-2005 08:57:24




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 Re: Got tractor going, here's what I've found... in reply to Alvin Roberts (MS), 11-13-2005 08:11:45  
When fixing things, I was taught never to assume anything, so I hope I won't offend you with any of my comments. I speak as though you were an N newbie.
About the lift: Do you have any weight on the lift arms? They are gravity down so even if you move your lever to the down position, the arms won't necessarily come down if there isn't any weight on them.
Clutch: there's a hole in the housing underneath which should have a cotter pin in it to keep the hole open. Check to see the hole is free - any excess oil should be draining out and not going on your clutch. The bad news (maybe): I had a similiar condition on my clutch about it not releasing, and I had to have my clutch rebuilt. Some people just keep their clutch pedal blocked down when they're not using the tractor, but if your problem is happening even when the tractor is in fairly constant use, then you might be looking at a tear down.
Oil pressure: my opinion is that if you've got 25 lbs after it's warm, then you're fine. Mine runs between 25 and 30 cold or hot.
I'll leave the rough running engine for the real experts to help you with!
Hope I helped...
Carl S.

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Alvin Roberts (MS)

11-13-2005 16:38:21




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 Re: Got tractor going, here's what I've found... in reply to Carl S in NH, 11-13-2005 08:57:24  
Carl, don't worry, no offense taken. I am an N newbie. In fact, I'm a tractor newbie.
I don't have any weight on the lift arms. However, I have stood on them and jumped up and down. You can lift up on the arms and they'll move maybe 1/4" or so but they won't budge down. Seems like they are hitting hard against something. It also does not leak down at all.
As far as the clutch, the hole underneath the housing with the cotter pin is open and it dows leak a small amount of oil so I guess maybe it's not getting on the clutch.

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Carl S in NH

11-14-2005 05:04:11




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 Attn Zane - need your expertise here! in reply to Alvin Roberts (MS), 11-13-2005 16:38:21  
I am very far from a hydraulics expert, but there are some very knowledgeable people on that subject here on the forum.
I do know from reading posts that there is a thing called a relief valve that's supposed to let the pressure release so the arms will come down. If it doesn't leak down over time, and you can stand on the arms and they won't come down any, maybe that relief valve is plugged or otherwise malfunctioning. Hopefully, someone else will post here to help you diagnose the trouble.
Carl S.

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gahorn

11-13-2005 10:39:26




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 Re: Got tractor going, here's what I've found... in reply to Carl S in NH, 11-13-2005 08:57:24  
All the above advice from Dell and Carl S. is good. I'll add another possible to the engine dying unless the choke is applied after a few minutes running. A cracked or warped manifold or bad gasket can allow air leaks after it heats up. The air leaks let it run too lean. The choke relieves the too-lean condition. A way to check for this is to spray oil or auto transmission fluid onto the gasket (all around) to see if 1) the engine instantly runs better because the oil momentarily improved the leaking condition, and 2) if the exhaust suddenly gets smokey...indicating the oil spray is getting past the leaky gasket and entering the combustion chambers and burning up.

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