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ORIGINAL DEARBORN DRAWBARS FOR N-SERIES

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Tim PloughNman

11-18-2005 18:30:09




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A recent question was about the original Dearborn Swinging Drawbar. Here's a picture of my '48 8N with the original Dearborn Swinging Drawbar properly set-up. Next picture will show an original Dearborn Vee-Bar Set-up. Both were dealer installed options and are getting rarer to find. Hope this helps.

Tim Daley (MI)
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Hobo,NC

11-20-2005 08:05:07




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 Re: ORIGINAL DEARBORN DRAWBARS FOR N-SERIES in reply to Tim PloughNman Daley, 11-18-2005 18:30:09  
Thanks fer the pix I had a drawbar and stay bar set up that wuz gave to me so I went and checked it fer the # and they are on it although not very readable I kin make out the 9N



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FarmerDawn

11-19-2005 10:11:31




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 drawbar in reply to Tim PloughNman Daley, 11-18-2005 18:30:09  
Well, the thing I found in the barn DOES seem to be a drawbar, but it doesn't have any Ford numbering on it. It does have a single number "3" on each end where the Ford numbering would be if it was there (on opposite sides so you would see it no matter which way was up). The "3" has angles on the top like the stamped "3" on my 8N's serial number. There ARE 11 holes; and the ones showing wear are the end one (on one end) and the next-to-end one on the other (odd?). The main portion seems to be painted black, but the ends look like the metal in Tim's photo. At each end, where there are the little holes in the narrower part (that you can see in Russ's picture), there is a metal pin stuck through with a metal ring on it. If those were present on the drawbar in Tim's picture, they would be sticking out to the sides past everything, sort of like O-ring bit rings.

I also found two red metal things that at first I thought were the . . . um, those things that come back on each side, from under the axle area, that would attach to the drawbar. (What do you call those?) BUT I took them outside and compared them to what's on my tractor. They are not quite the same, but very similar in shape -- flat, about that thick, almost the same length, etc. Each is made of TWO pieces of metal, however, lapped in the middle and joined by bolts. One of them (only) has a set of chains hanging off it, and there is a curved metal tag hanging off one chain that is embossed with a set of instructions that begins, "To avoid damage to the pump" (or words to that effect). These "metal arms" look something like the brighter-red metal things in Tim's picture, that are coming back from behind the seat area and above the PTO area. Do those things have a metal tag with a warning instruction about a pump on them?

And -- totally OT -- I found our ranch's old original branding irons in the melee!!! BOTH of them! [It's an S and a backwards R.] I also found a set of heavy (lead?) targets for shooting and a child's Scooby-Doo fishing pole. If anyone wants those or the taxidermy ear-spreader, I will send it to you free. We aren't going to use them and if would be nice if someone who wanted them could have them. :-)

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Tim PloughNman Daley

11-19-2005 12:03:06




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 Re: drawbar in reply to FarmerDawn, 11-19-2005 10:11:31  
Miss Dawn-
I agree-don't toss any thing out without first checking here! LOL

The drawbar will be fine for your 8N-I'd hold onto that. The other red bars are your stay bars. They are two piece each side and YES, the oval WARNING badge attaches on the right one and clips onto your lift quadrant stop. Look at my original picture and you can see where it all attaches to. The stays kept the drawbar in a locked postion so you can pull an implement that wasn't a 3-point lift type. Keep digging-you might find lights or other accessories like a rare dearborn Grease Gun!

Tim Daley (MI)
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FarmerDawn

11-19-2005 12:58:03




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 Re: drawbar in reply to Tim PloughNman Daley, 11-19-2005 12:03:06  
Wow! This is cool! I have found 2 grease gun, um, trigger and spout things, and one grease gun (I think), but I have no idea what they are. They don't look all that old, though. I just took a bunch of photographs so you guys can see if any of my "mystery treasures" are suitable for working on my tractor. Stand by . . .



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Gaspump

11-19-2005 11:30:32




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 Re: drawbar in reply to FarmerDawn, 11-19-2005 10:11:31  
FD don't toss that drawbar because it is not marked! Many had the 9N p/n, some Ford but most had no marking at all especially in later years of the 8N. The aftermarkets came years later when Ford no longer sold them, they have less of a radius on the edges and more taper on the ends of the flat than after markets. The aftermarkets were much blunter and had less radius on the edges. Tims photo of the 9N# end clearly shows what I refer to, if yours is old and is shaped identical to that it is original. The originals were forged steel, never painted but were hot dip plated and with time they all rusted.

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FarmerDawn

11-19-2005 11:42:32




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 Re: drawbar in reply to Gaspump, 11-19-2005 11:30:32  
Thanks, Gaspump! I will take a closer look at it, and maybe a picture to post on the forum. I don't think I'd toss it anyway; I'm one of those "there's got to be a use for it" folks. :-) (The guy we bought the place from came by last week and, when I asked him about stuff, told me he'd "hauled away 2 truckloads of old junk metal" left by the previous owner. I can't help but wonder what treasures were in there! I'm sure glad he didn't toss those old branding irons while he was at it. I'm going to put those on display or something . . . )

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murn-ga

11-19-2005 10:43:26




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 Re: drawbar in reply to FarmerDawn, 11-19-2005 10:11:31  
Dawn, seems you have an after market drawbar,which will do the job. Those little ringy dingy things are lynch pins used to hold bars to the imp.Also a rat tap. Don't get your cold finger caught in one. Those two red things are vertical stablizers. Used to prevent the drawbar from raising up. The chain deal goes to the lift leaver so you can't raise lift and posibly damage to pump. I remember as a kid I did raise the leaver on my dad's 8n. It did no damage to pump but folded the sta bars like a c. Guess I don't need a branding iron since my dog has a collar. Sorry for the book.

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FarmerDawn

11-19-2005 10:46:08




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 Re: drawbar in reply to murn-ga, 11-19-2005 10:43:26  
Thank you, Murn! This is great! :-) (And I think your dog much prefers a collar to being branded! LOL)



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Gaspump

11-19-2005 08:56:56




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 Re: ORIGINAL DEARBORN DRAWBARS FOR N-SERIES in reply to Tim PloughNman Daley, 11-18-2005 18:30:09  
Little terminology confusion on your drawbar descriptions Tim. Neither your V-bar nor the swing drawbars were original on the 8N and NAA. They both were dealer furnished optional accessories. The 2/9/8N's and early NAA's came with the 11 hole drawbar, drawbar stays, quadrant lock, chain with attached warning tag and lynch pins. The V-bar pictured was refered to the HD drawbar option and came in a kit with the PTO extention 1-3/8" adaptor and shield as you pictured it. It was needed for towing a heavy PTO powered implement such as a combine or hay baler.

The refered StahlMaster pictured drawbar is most assuredly also a fine example of an original Ford Tractor optional unit. It is the Original Ford in all three parts, Drawbar very squre not rounded edges as repos with correct holes, hanger stamped rivited steel not welded pieces as repos and the earliest underbody anchor with the push lock pin. StahlMasters option became standard on most the 100 series excepting row crops that required more drop in the hangar and drawbar itself. Our new Jubilee was delivered to us in 1953 with the StahlMaster style, two of my 8N's a 51 and a 52 came to me with them as well. Optional or not on the 53 I cant say, I do know for sure we did not get the 11 hole w/stays with our 1953 NAA.

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Tim PloughNman Daley

11-19-2005 11:02:33




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 Re: ORIGINAL DEARBORN DRAWBARS FOR N-SERIES in reply to Gaspump, 11-19-2005 08:56:56  
Hey Gaspump-
I did state that the drawbars (swinging and vee) were dealer installed accessories. Being that they were made and sold by Dearborn, I consider them to be original equipment. I did not mean to infer that they came from the factory with them. You know and I know that the tractor off the line came with very little optional equipment if any. Lights, bumper, cyclone air cleaner, tire inflator, grease gun, and some tools were also available at an extra cost from the dealer.

Tim Daley (MI)
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Gaspump

11-19-2005 11:44:19




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 Re: ORIGINAL DEARBORN DRAWBARS FOR N-SERIES in reply to Tim PloughNman Daley, 11-19-2005 11:02:33  
Just a clarification of what originally came with the tractor and the options that the dealers sold, lots of folks never saw them nor know of the importance and safety of correctly using drawbars with stays on these old Fords, better yet the safest type like StahlMasters. Thanks much for your posting the photos! Sorry about the M troop, going with OSU this year mainly because I have recently received just too many E-mails with Maise letters on Blue background!!! In reality I have a lot of Orange & Blue, Garnet & Gold with some Orange & Green in my blood come Football season!

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Benford

11-19-2005 05:42:46




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 Re: ORIGINAL DEARBORN DRAWBARS FOR N-SERIES in reply to Tim PloughNman Daley, 11-18-2005 18:30:09  
The bar in that mounts under the pto shaft and comes straight out the back then mounts to the draw bar with the holes in it is what I have been looking for, with no luck , tractor supply has a diagram on the wall showing this bar but they dont have them, the children that work there and give you that confused look when you ask a question are of no help either, I called my local Ford New holland dealer, he said all they could get was a kit that bolted to the under side of the diffy and it cost $155.00
too steep for me, I am in Texas so im hoping to find a used one laying around in someones barn, there has to be hundreds of them all over the country, hard to find tho,
Benny

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FarmerDawn

11-18-2005 18:45:07




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 Re: ORIGINAL DEARBORN DRAWBARS FOR N-SERIES in reply to Tim PloughNman Daley, 11-18-2005 18:30:09  
Oh my gosh, Tim! Can you send me a close-up photo (or illustration) of the CROSS-PIECE on that set-up? -- looks like it has holes in it and is not painted (is dark)? I think I just found one in the old workshop "junk" today!!



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Tim PloughNman Daley

11-19-2005 03:46:00




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 Re: ORIGINAL DEARBORN DRAWBARS FOR N-SERIES in reply to FarmerDawn, 11-18-2005 18:45:07  
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Miss Dawn-
Here's a close-up of the original Ford 11-hole drawbar end with the part number 9N5182 cast into it. Some have the FORD script logo also. The 11-holes are 3/4" in diameter. The part looks dark from age. It is not rust. These cast steel parts are tough animals. I've never seen one broken. Should last eons! These were standard equipment with a new tractor and shipped from the factory with one attached. Harry Ferguson had one too with an HF logo but it only had 9-holes. These would have been after 1947 and made for the TO20. Hope you find one in your barn! If you have anything you are not sure of, flash me an email with picture attached and I'll help identify it for you.

Tim Daley (MI) *8N15513*

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russ socal

11-18-2005 19:42:21




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 Like this but purtier? in reply to FarmerDawn, 11-18-2005 18:45:07  
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FarmerDawn

11-18-2005 19:48:41




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 Re: Like this but purtier? in reply to russ socal, 11-18-2005 19:42:21  
Dang, I am tempted to wade out there (through rain) with a flashlight to see! I really think that might be it. If so, mine is all dark-rust colored, but it's not more than that (not rotted out with rust). Oh, wouldn't that be NEAT!?



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old

11-18-2005 20:05:38




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 Re: Like this but purtier? in reply to FarmerDawn, 11-18-2005 19:48:41  
As heavy as those things are it will still be around 100 years from now as long as no one melts it down. And probably be able to be used as it was made for, in 100 years. LOL



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old

11-18-2005 19:19:41




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 Re: ORIGINAL DEARBORN DRAWBARS FOR N-SERIES in reply to FarmerDawn, 11-18-2005 18:45:07  
Dawn, if you found one thats about $25-35 you saved. If it is one its about 24-30 inches long and very heavy with a good number of holes. Then on each ean there pins about 1 inch around with holes at the end for the lynch pins to go in. Very simple set up but nice to have. I have one but would you believe I have never used it, my brother has been getting a lot of use from it though, but hes also been useing one of my 8Ns

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FarmerDawn

11-18-2005 20:07:14




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 Re: ORIGINAL DEARBORN DRAWBARS FOR N-SERIES in reply to old, 11-18-2005 19:19:41  
Cool! I will have to go out there tomorrow morning to check, but that sure SOUNDS like what I found! :-)



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6N's Short

11-19-2005 06:34:08




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 Re: ORIGINAL DEARBORN DRAWBARS FOR N-SERIES in reply to FarmerDawn, 11-18-2005 20:07:14  
Closer to $20 at any farm auction around here in the condition you described. Very common item. Not sure I have ever seen the swinging drawbar pictured on an N though. Make for nice tight turns with trailering type equipment but the clanging back and forth is a little unnerving until you get used to it.



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Tim PloughNman Daley

11-18-2005 18:44:21




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 Re: ORIGINAL DEARBORN DRAWBARS FOR N-SERIES in reply to Tim PloughNman Daley, 11-18-2005 18:30:09  
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...original Dearborn Vee-Bar set-up. Note stays; 11-hole drawbar; and safety chain lock-out WARNING badge to lift control so you don't accidentally try to raise it and blow your hydraulics. Used with pull-type implements.

Tim Daley (MI)
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lumpy

11-18-2005 19:47:14




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 Re: ORIGINAL DEARBORN DRAWBARS FOR N-SERIES in reply to Tim PloughNman Daley, 11-18-2005 18:44:21  
Hey Tim, those hook bolts, they are silver in the picture, they are used on the "v" hitch to keep it from rolling over, where can a person buy them. i have one of those "v" hitches but lost one of the hook bolts. thanks



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Tim PloughNman Daley

11-20-2005 08:42:50




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 Re: ORIGINAL DEARBORN DRAWBARS FOR N-SERIES in reply to lumpy, 11-18-2005 19:47:14  
Lumpy-
Flash me an email and I'll tell you where to get them..



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Tom-Pa

11-19-2005 15:55:42




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 Re: ORIGINAL DEARBORN DRAWBARS FOR N-SERIES in reply to lumpy, 11-18-2005 19:47:14  
Lumpy,
I made mine out of bolts. installed the bolts, nuts and set on a log section to hold in place and bent over the drawbar. Then removed and cut off what I did not need. works for me.



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Pitch

11-18-2005 20:57:43




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 Re: ORIGINAL DEARBORN DRAWBARS FOR N-SERIES in reply to lumpy, 11-18-2005 19:47:14  
Farmer Dawn, If all you have is the cross bar and/or the drawbar you need to keep digging in the shed. your gonna need some stabilzer bars also. look around for flat bars of metal about 2.5 feet long with a hole in each end.



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