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FarmerDawn

11-22-2005 18:47:11

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I moved the last item out of its place tonight, to clean around the space. We had all thought it was a huge, very old radio. But it's not. It's an old Marquette A.C. Arc Welder - cord and all. (I read the label -- hidden until I rolled it out -- is how I know.) The case is curved at the top and does remind you of an old radio case. It has handles for pulling it, and little wheels that still work well. The case is red. There is a brass plate on the top that I have not cleaned yet. On the side, there are holes to plug things in, in a circle. I found two images of old arc welders, and it is between them in age, by appearance. One image is of the 1938 patent filing (shown on this page). It looks a LOT like that one, but without the center "raised" area that looks like a broad seam. I found an ad for a 1952 Marquette arc welder that is WAY later than the one in the barn. Its picture is in the next post. I cannot find out anything else about this machine online. It is complete, and we certainly don't need it. Do you guys think it might be something I could sell for "tractor parts money"? I'd like to see it have a good (appreciative) home. It really does seem to be in perfect (albeit dirty) condition. I would guess it's from the mid '40s at the latest. Suggestions?

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Dan Hill

11-25-2005 02:45:00

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Re: really old arc welder in reply to FarmerDawn, 11-22-2005 18:47:11

Dont sell that welder, learn to use it.Dont fuss about parts, it wont need any.This welder was built before aluminum wire was used in welders.Cables can be made up for it.My dad bought an old 150 amp welder in the 1950s from a scrap dealer for 10.00.Dealer said, if it wont work he would refund the money.I took the cabinet off,cleaned it up and fixed a loose connection on the power cord.Used it to build a cart for it.The old welder was built in the 1930s and still works fine 75 years later.Have an electrician check it over, it may need a new power cord.

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FarmerDawn

11-25-2005 18:53:15

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Re: really old arc welder in reply to Dan Hill, 11-25-2005 02:45:00

Gee whiz! Man, this really takes the cake -- I mean, I am SOLD on keeping this wonderful old welder and learning how to use it!! THANKS!

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ZANE

11-23-2005 17:42:31

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Re: really old arc welder in reply to FarmerDawn, 11-22-2005 18:47:11

Dawn, some of those big old welders were and are better than the newer ones made now. All of them had heavy copper windings and would take a beating. The newer ones lots of them have aluminum windings and are very short lived. Aluminum is bad to loosen at the connections where they are held down by clamps and screws etc and the copper windings are welded or silver soldered and will not come loose. The biggest drawback with a welder like the one you have is that the heat or amperage range is not infinate like in newer welders and have large jumps in the amperage ranges. You just have learn to adapt to the program!

Learn to weld the way I did Dawn. Get that thing going and go out and buy you about 10 pounds of 6013 welding rod sticks and start experimenting. Just keep away from flamable materials and don't be wearing any ragged cotton jeans that are so cool now days or you may go up like a Roman candle!

The best thing to weld with now is a wire welder. Don't have to learn the art of striking an arc like in stick welding. Just touch the wire to the point where you want to start welding and pull the trigger! To strike an arc with the stick welder just pretend you are striking a big kitchen match.

Zane

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FarmerDawn

11-23-2005 18:32:47

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Re: really old arc welder in reply to ZANE, 11-23-2005 17:42:31

Hmmm. Well, seeing as how you lost me (vocabulary-wise) somewhere around "6013 welding rods" I think I'd better study up! :-) But this is REALLY great information, and I thank you for it! It's hard for me to believe I can weld, I guess -- or maybe I'm afraid of it. One thing, at least I don't have to worry about wearing raggedy jeans that can catch on fire - a fashion maven I am not! LOL But thanks to this old welder, I am suddenly finding the whole proposition very attractive. I think I DO want to learn to weld! (But first, I want to get that loader off Arthur, get him in his new house, and find out if he has oil pressure or not!) :-)

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FarmerDawn

11-23-2005 12:27:57

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Re: really old arc welder in reply to FarmerDawn, 11-22-2005 18:47:11

Thanks for all the advice and information, guys!!!! I think what I'm going to do is wait until I finish the major stages of rebuilding Arthur, then find someone who knows about welding to go over this welder with me and make sure it's ok. If it is, then I'll find out what I would need to do to get some instruction. I really like the idea of using this machine (if it works). It's just neat, has a good feel to it. So maybe -- eventually -- I will learn to weld after all!! I know it would be tremendously useful around the ranch. :-)

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Rusty 2N

11-23-2005 07:42:50

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Re: really old arc welder in reply to FarmerDawn, 11-22-2005 18:47:11

Dawn, I"m not sure about that model but some of those older farm welders came with a soldering & battery charging attchments. Very good machines. Find a person who understands that machine to teach you how to weld & it will become you best friend around the shop. You got lucky, the welder I found in the barn was shot. enjoy!!

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Stickler

11-23-2005 15:25:11

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Re: really old arc welder in reply to Rusty 2N, 11-23-2005 07:42:50

That's how my Forney is, soldering, brazing, battery charging, carbon-arc torch attachments were available, and it has the sockets for all of them. I sold the carbon-arc torch like a dummy, because i have Oxy-acet. In hindsite, shoulda kept it. A lincloln carbon arc torch with 2 boxes of carbons just sold on ebay for something like 80 bucks. I was tempted to bid on it just for the novelty of having one again.

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Stickler

11-23-2005 06:27:57

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Re: really old arc welder in reply to FarmerDawn, 11-22-2005 18:47:11

My arc welder is an ancient Forney. same idea. The holes that look like you plug things into are just that. They should be numbered, and they are where you plug your cables in to get different heat settings. Welding is something that is worth reading up on before trying, but even better, get someone who knows how to show you the basics and the safety aspects, and then practice, practice, practice. The normal caution will be to open it up and check to see that there are no animals nesting inside, no bare wires etc. it likely needs 240 volt power to run it, and unless you have the cables for it and they're in good shape, it may cost a bit to get it working. I paid $40 for my welder at auction and spend over 100 on new cables, plugs, stinger and gound clamps. But like they said here, the old welders are real workhorses, and the real beauty is they were made for farm electrical services, so they have a low current input in comparison to newer ones.

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soundguy

11-23-2005 05:31:54

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Re: really old arc welder in reply to FarmerDawn, 11-22-2005 18:47:11

Heck.. if it works.. keep it. For the 100$ you might get out of it.. it may 'pay' to keep as a welder.

Nothing like a big hefty ac arc welder to glue rusty metal together.

I've done alot of welding on an old ac 'tombstone' style Lincoln welder..

Soundguy

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FarmerDawn

11-23-2005 05:33:35

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Re: really old arc welder in reply to soundguy, 11-23-2005 05:31:54

TOMBSTONE! LOL Yes, that IS what it's shaped like! You bet - you guys have convinced me this is a VERY cool thing to keep around! I love the idea of learning to weld on it, and using it. It seems way neater than using the new one (which is really used here more as a generator anyway). So I am all jazzed about it now! :-)

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rbell

11-23-2005 04:55:30

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Re: really old arc welder in reply to FarmerDawn, 11-22-2005 18:47:11

That appears to be just like the one I learned to weld with.
The rows of holes on the two sides of the face are how you change heat ranges (no switches to wear out).
It was a fine buzz box. Only thing better in performance that I have used was a Lincoln DC unit driven by a 2 cyl Wisconsin eng.

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FarmerDawn

11-23-2005 05:20:13

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Re: really old arc welder in reply to rbell, 11-23-2005 04:55:30

Well I'll be darned! OK, then maybe when I learn to weld, I'll use this fella' to do it!!! VERY neat!!! Thanks for letting me know how really awesome it is, guys!

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Bob

11-22-2005 22:07:30

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Re: really old arc welder in reply to FarmerDawn, 11-22-2005 18:47:11

Those old "buzzboxes" have a LOT or iron and copper in the transformers compared to today's models, and are capable of doing really great work.

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old

11-22-2005 20:28:53

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Re: really old arc welder in reply to FarmerDawn, 11-22-2005 18:47:11

I've used one of those old welders before. They do a good job if they are working right, but almost impossiable to get any parts for. You might be able to sell it but probably will not get much for it. You might get lucky and get $100 for it but thats only if you find the right person, by the way thats a guess as far as what you might get, I've seen welders sell at auctions for little to no money and other times sell for 2 or 3 times what a new one sells for.

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FarmerDawn

11-22-2005 21:51:08

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Re: really old arc welder in reply to old, 11-22-2005 20:28:53

Oh goodness! LOL Well, I guess I have a "conversation piece" stand to set my shop heater on! :-) (I like old things a lot. So that works for me!) Thanks, Old!

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old

11-23-2005 08:48:47

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Re: really old arc welder in reply to FarmerDawn, 11-22-2005 21:51:08

By the way is that one of the little ones that stand say 2 or 3 foot tall or is that one of the monster ones that stands about 4 or 5 foot tall??

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FarmerDawn

11-23-2005 12:24:00

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Re: really old arc welder in reply to old, 11-23-2005 08:48:47

It's about 3 feet tall -- about the height of a table top.

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FarmerDawn

11-22-2005 18:51:56

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the 1952 one in reply to FarmerDawn, 11-22-2005 18:47:11

This one has 2 large tires, a squared-off shape, a sort of "dial" where the holes are in the circle, two handles on the top that are like "bars" (not brass ones set lower to the case, different shape), and an apparent "lid". It looks entirely different from (and much newer than) the one in the barn.

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Troy(IL)

11-22-2005 19:52:43

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Re: the 1952 one in reply to FarmerDawn, 11-22-2005 18:51:56

FarmerDawn,

This is an old arc welder that I bought about ten years ago, from an old service station that closed up, I have no idea how old it is, or really anything else about it, If anyone has any info on it, i would like to know more about it. It will weld circles around my buddie's Lincoln AC 225 arc welder. Notice the light on it looks kinda like a Jubilee dash light.

Old arc welder pic

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FarmerDawn

11-22-2005 19:55:38

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Re: the 1952 one in reply to Troy(IL), 11-22-2005 19:52:43

That's NEAT! It looks like it's older than the 1952 one, to me. Of course, I don't know a lot about them. Does it have wheels?

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Troy(IL)

11-22-2005 20:06:13

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Re: the 1952 one in reply to FarmerDawn, 11-22-2005 19:55:38

Yep, it has two wheels on the back, that allow you to wheel it around like a two wheeled cart.

another pic

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Troy(IL)

11-22-2005 20:07:30

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Re: the 1952 one in reply to Troy(IL), 11-22-2005 20:06:13

That pic shows the look alike Jubilee dash light

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