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Jimmyjack

11-29-2005 12:40:41




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For all you dubious, who havent try electrolysis yet, dont wait any longer. I read all the input for a long while, and finally decided to look into it. It took about 10 minutes to hook up, found the Arm and Hammer for 2 bucks, and now wonder why I havent been doing it for the last 40 years. Im really impressed on how well it works on the paint too. The hardest thing for me to find was the metal conditioner or phosphoric acid. I think a pint would do a whole tractor. The N board How tos has a great write-up.

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john43 2n

11-29-2005 16:08:56




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 Re: Parts Cleaning in reply to Jimmyjack, 11-29-2005 12:40:41  
In the Northwest I have found a product named "OSPHO" that has phosphoric acid in it.
Ospho is sold as a rusty metal prep. I have used it and it turns rust to a hard black coating you can paint over with good results. Local hardware store carries it near me.



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Dan

11-29-2005 13:04:07




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 Re: Parts Cleaning in reply to Jimmyjack, 11-29-2005 12:40:41  
I went to three different places looking for the washing soda - no luck. A poster here led me to an 1-800 number that you could put the UPC code in and they would tell you where the closest place that sells it based on zip code. I am happy to say it worked like a champ, and I picked my washing soda up today at lunch only 1.2 miles from my job. I will be trying electrolysis tonight on old rust bolts just to get the hang of it before trying it on important parts. I will keep an eye out for lye as well.

Dan

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Tom in MS

11-29-2005 18:47:02




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 Re: Parts Cleaning in reply to Dan, 11-29-2005 13:04:07  
I"d like to have the 800 # and the barcode..looked back as far as I could but didn"t find it..



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Dan

11-29-2005 19:59:10




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 Re: Parts Cleaning in reply to Tom in MS, 11-29-2005 18:47:02  
Compliments of Decoy86:

"You can call Arm and Hammer and they can tell you where it is sold in your area. 1-800-524-1328 the UPC code is 33200-03020. When I called it was just down the street, not where I had thought it would be."

HTH,
Dan



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Tom in MS

11-30-2005 14:44:43




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 Re: Parts Cleaning in reply to Dan, 11-29-2005 19:59:10  
Thanks Dan, Just what I needed..



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Ramrod

11-29-2005 13:06:38




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 Re: Parts Cleaning in reply to Dan, 11-29-2005 13:04:07  
Albertson's has both (Red Devil)lye and washing soda in the washing powder section on the botton shelf.



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Dan

11-29-2005 13:26:38




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 Re: Parts Cleaning in reply to Ramrod, 11-29-2005 13:06:38  
Thanks bud! I have an Albertsons real close to my house - I'll check it out. It would sure be nice to strip paint at the same time! How would you dispose of the solution?

Dan



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uh . . . Dell (WA)

11-29-2005 17:35:13




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 Re: Parts Cleaning in reply to Dan, 11-29-2005 13:26:38  
Dan..... ...basic chemistry lesson, when you mix alkaline (lye) and acid (muriatic, which is weak hydrochloric) you gitt SALT & water. I would recommend a weak acid like VINEGAR to neutralize yer lye/laundry soda solution. And it won't take much 'cuz yer de-rusto solution is mostly activated by the electrical charging current. You test for acid and basic conditions with "litmus" paper; (drugstore) color change tells you the strength of solution. ...or... just add yer neutralzing agent until it stopps bubblin'. Simple, eh?

Adding a strong acid like hydrochloric (HCl) to liquid causes EXPLOSIVE REACTION and splashes!!! Wanna guess where the spashes are gonnna land? and what they will do?

Two of the STRONGEST CHEMICALS made are Sodium Hydroxide (NaHO) and HydroChloric (HCl) when mixed together make plain table salt (NaCl) and drinking water (H2O). Isn't that amazing?..... ...Dell, who almost flunked chemistry

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Ramrod

11-29-2005 16:07:58




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 Re: Parts Cleaning in reply to Dan, 11-29-2005 13:26:38  
I used to use lye to strip and acid to kill the rust, then mix them together to neutralize and pour them down the drain to my drain field and into the yard. You could do the same by getting some muriatic or hydrochloric acid at HD (I've seen both) and carefully mixing the acid into the lye solution. It will then be safe to dump down the drain or in the yard, but I would be careful with that, maybe put it in a barrel and put a hose in there to run and overflow for max dilution, then dump the barell after it runs over for a while. Just watch out for that foo-foo city grass in your yard, it won't be as tough as the prairie grass out here. Plus I have so much limestone in my yard anyhow...

Be real careful with the lye man, it will actually dissolve your skin.

I've moved up to my media blasting cabinet, got the White Lightning, very cool!

Ramrod

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hvw

11-29-2005 13:54:12




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 Re: Parts Cleaning in reply to Dan, 11-29-2005 13:26:38  
The solution, lye and washing soda, is biodegradable so you could spread it around your yard with no bad effects if you wanted to. The paint residue is the main problem. If you're not using a large container you could strain it before emptying the solution. Mine was in a 55 gallon plastic drum so my disposal problem was bigger.



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Dan

11-29-2005 13:59:26




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 Re: Parts Cleaning in reply to hvw, 11-29-2005 13:54:12  
Very nice - thanks!

Dan



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JoeMc

11-29-2005 12:44:22




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 Re: Parts Cleaning in reply to Jimmyjack, 11-29-2005 12:40:41  
Yes and if you use lye instead of the washing soda it removes paint even faster. And the phosphoric acid can be found at Home Depot in the paint section.



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MikeT

11-29-2005 13:27:44




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 Re: Parts Cleaning in reply to JoeMc, 11-29-2005 12:44:22  
Joe - What sort of container is the phosphoric acid in at HD? is there a brand name?



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Dan

11-29-2005 14:05:25




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 Re: Parts Cleaning in reply to MikeT, 11-29-2005 13:27:44  
It is in the gallon and the quart size. It is in a translucent plastic container and is a green solution. You find it in the paint section right next to the glue, paint removers, adhesive removers, navel gelly, etc. I can't remeber the brand name, but it has a big PHOSPHORIC ACID label that can be seen from quite some distance (that is how I found it).

Great stuff, I use it a lot now that Ramrod turned me on to it!

Dan

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MikeT

11-29-2005 15:07:00




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 Re: Parts Cleaning in reply to Dan, 11-29-2005 14:05:25  
Thanks Dan

Phosporic acid is great for preping metal before the primer. Brush it on to bare steel, then rince it all off with cold water before it drys. If it drys, then redo the process. After rincing, then dry with a towel. It slightly etches the metal and lays down a layer that helps paint bonding and helps to prevent rust.



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Tim...Ok

11-29-2005 12:51:51




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 Re: Parts Cleaning in reply to JoeMc, 11-29-2005 12:44:22  
Another note,I couldn't find the lye at any of the big stores around here,but finally found it in a local supermarket chain..red devil lye,in the same section as drano..



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old 9

11-29-2005 18:46:02




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 Caution : in reply to Tim...Ok, 11-29-2005 12:51:51  
Caution ;; DO NOT use drano!!! I am told it has a few other chemicals you DON'T want! only LYE



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