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Dell I don't understand this statement

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Tom in MS

12-02-2005 16:30:08




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"Other converters use a modern 12v squarecan ignition coil with the infamous ballast resistor. This is the best way but most expensive way to convert to 12volts."




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Dell (WA)

12-02-2005 19:13:38




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 Re: Dell I don't understand this statement in reply to Tom in MS, 12-02-2005 16:30:08  
Tom..... ...what is it you don't understand?

The el-cheapo frontmount 12v conversion uses the OEM 6v coil (no extra cost) plus the mandatory "infamous ballast resistor" (no extra cost) and ADDS a 12v-to-6v converting resistor such as 8NE-10306 $4.50 (cheap) in series between the ignition switch and the infamous ballast resistor. Is that hard to understand?

The el-cheapo frontmount 12v conversion using the OEM 6v coil (no extra cost) and just the Chrysler dual-resistor $7? with NO "infamous ballast resistor". Is that hard to understand?

Or is this concept that "Other converters use a modern 12v squarecan ignition coil with the infamous ballast resistor. This is the best way but most expensive way to convert to 12volts." And that the cost of the modern 12v squarecan ignition coil $27 to $35 is hard to understand?

As I previously re-explained, even the modern 12v squarecan ignition coil needs some sort of current limiting resistance because the 12v coil was miss-designed for just 12.6 volts and most 12v alternators output about 14.7 volts which FRIES even the modern 12v squarecan ignition coil.

You can continue to use the "infamous ballast resistor" (no extra cost) which will protect the 12v coil but cause lower sparkies. ...or... you can use my secret trick 1/2-ohm current limiting resistor made from 2 1-ohm 10-watt resistors in parallel. ($1.79 from RadioShack) Is that what you don't understand?..... ...perfesser Dell

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Tom in MS

12-02-2005 19:29:50




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 Re: Dell I don't understand this statement in reply to Dell (WA), 12-02-2005 19:13:38  
"Other converters use a modern 12v squarecan ignition coil with the infamous ballast resistor."
Haven't you always said that with the 12V square coil NO ballast resistor was used??That is what I don't understand.



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Dell (WA)

12-02-2005 20:08:00




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 Re: Dell I don't understand this statement in reply to Tom in MS, 12-02-2005 19:29:50  
Tom..... ...."As I previously re-explained, even the modern 12v squarecan ignition coil needs some sort of current limiting resistance because the 12v coil was miss-designed for just 12.6 volts and most 12v alternators output about 14.7 volts which FRIES even the modern 12v squarecan ignition coil.

You can continue to use the "infamous ballast resistor" (no extra cost) which will protect the 12v coil but cause lower sparkies. ...or... you can use my secret trick 1/2-ohm current limiting resistor made from 2 1-ohm 10-watt resistors in parallel. ($1.79 from RadioShack)"

What part of this is inconsistant with my previous explanations?...respectfully, Dell

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Tom in MS

12-03-2005 05:50:00




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 Re: Dell I don't understand this statement in reply to Dell (WA), 12-02-2005 20:08:00  
Thanks, I guess my brain got hung up out of gear...I guess I just needed more detail..Once the statement was made that you do not use the infamous ballast resistor with the 12V coil, my brain stopped there....SO for me to understand it, it would say, the Dell trick reistor is the way to go BUT if you ain't gonna do it right you must at least use the infamous ballast resistor or some other resistors to drop the voltage going to the 12V square can coil. If you don't you are gonna burn up points and coils...

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Russ SoCal

12-02-2005 18:41:16




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 I don't either in reply to Tom in MS, 12-02-2005 16:30:08  
Tom,
About the onliest way I can think of is if someone has removed the "infamous ballast resistor" during a botched conversion and you want to replace it. And the ballast resistor is more expensive than using Radio Shack resistors to limit current. The current to even a 12 volt front mount coil needs to be limited in some way.
The "best" would come in by it looking original and not having extra "stuff" hanging out of your harness.
Like to hear what Dell's definition of "best" is.
Russ

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John (TR)

12-02-2005 17:57:33




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 Re: Dell I don't understand this statement in reply to Tom in MS, 12-02-2005 16:30:08  
Tom,
I have a 43 on 6 volt with a 6 volt sq can coil. I have a 49 on 12 volt with a 12 volt sq can coil. Both use the stock ford resistor on the dash. Niether one burns points. I think people use the big ballast resistor when they go 12 volts and leave the 6 volt coil on.



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Tom in MS

12-02-2005 18:52:42




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 Re: Dell I don't understand this statement in reply to John (TR), 12-02-2005 17:57:33  
Thanks...There must be 100s of ways to wire these things and make them work..



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HWPa

12-02-2005 17:28:58




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 Re: Dell I don't understand this statement in reply to Tom in MS, 12-02-2005 16:30:08  
The "square can" voltage regulator is slang for the shape of the voltage regulator. The "infamous" ballast resistor is slang for that unit behind your dash,on left. I prefer 6 volt because that is the way mine were made. 1947 & 1953. Tuned proper...why change em? 8)



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Tom in MS

12-02-2005 17:35:59




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 Re: Dell I don't understand this statement in reply to HWPa, 12-02-2005 17:28:58  
Please read his quote again...I know what the ballast resistor is and he has repeatedly said many times that with the 12V square coil you do not use the ballast resistor(instead you use his "trick" resistor from Radio Shack) but with the 6 Volt coil you do use the ballast resistor...I still don't get it...



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HWPa

12-02-2005 17:44:05




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 Re: Dell I don't understand this statement in reply to Tom in MS, 12-02-2005 17:35:59  
Never did give it much thought. Now though the gears between my ears are starting to move. HMMMM Pondering a thought...



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hvw

12-02-2005 16:56:43




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 Re: Dell I don't understand this statement in reply to Tom in MS, 12-02-2005 16:30:08  
Sounds intuitively obvious. :) (Got that symbol off the Dawn Link)



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FarmerDawn

12-02-2005 18:19:18




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 LOL!!!! in reply to hvw, 12-02-2005 16:56:43  
Man, it HAS been a long week! I was sitting here thinking, "What link did I have that said this square can coil thing was intuitively obvious?" Sheesh . . . going off to read the rest of the forum for today and NOT hit reply...



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FarmerDawn

12-02-2005 18:17:40




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 Re: Dell I don't understand this statement in reply to hvw, 12-02-2005 16:56:43  
????? LOL



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Tom in MS

12-02-2005 17:24:42




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 Re: Dell I don't understand this statement in reply to hvw, 12-02-2005 16:56:43  
Still don't make sense...I've seen it said a million times that you DO NOT use the infamous ballast resistor with a 12V square coil



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HWPa

12-02-2005 17:34:53




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 Re: Dell I don't understand this statement in reply to Tom in MS, 12-02-2005 17:24:42  
I see...the square 12v coil ,I believe, does not need a resistor of that type. The 6v needs more than that... the 12v does not need...any?



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Tom in MS

12-02-2005 17:43:34




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 Re: Dell I don't understand this statement in reply to HWPa, 12-02-2005 17:34:53  
That is what I understand..I put the 12V square coil on mine(2N) when I changed it to 12V and added his "trick" Radio S resistors...I would have never gone 12V but when I bought mine it had nothing..no generator at all, It was jsut running on a hot battery and even jumped across the solenoid to start it..My Dad's 2N which I remember him buying 35 years or more ago is still 6 V and works fine...



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HWPa

12-02-2005 17:48:56




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 Re: Dell I don't understand this statement in reply to Tom in MS, 12-02-2005 17:43:34  
You should be able to add in line with the orig resister, a resister of the type found on older Dodge products. This will work fine with a 6v. I do not know for sure about 12v.



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Tom in MS

12-02-2005 18:01:51




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 Re: Dell I don't understand this statement in reply to HWPa, 12-02-2005 17:48:56  
You are correct. When I bought it it had a 12V battery(no gen or alt.) but it had the dropping resistor in the wire to the coil and still had the 6V coil..worked fine..



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HWPa

12-02-2005 17:51:26




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 Re: Dell I don't understand this statement in reply to HWPa, 12-02-2005 17:48:56  
I meant ot say 6volt coil on a 12v conversion on my last post :0)



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