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Paul in MN

12-05-2005 10:28:40




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Even though we hope that all mechanical work on the tractors, trucks, and equipment can be done in a heated shop, it just doesn't seem to work out that way. As my son and I run a snowplowing business, we have learned some "survival" tricks that may help you avoid the effects of frost bite. (by the way, I still am in awe of the army of folks that built the Alaska pipeline about 35 years ago....they really learned the winter survival tricks needed to keep their machines working.)

So here are a few that may be of help:

1) Do not lay in the snow or frozen ground, it sucks heat out of the body terribly fast. So I keep a cut scrap (about 30" x 6') piece of carpet that I can throw on the ground first. A second smaller piece can be used directly beneath the work, to place tools on.. so they don't get iced up, and also if a part or bolt gets dropped, it doesn't get lost in the snow, but is quickly found on the carpet scrap. Sure, the "magic carpets" get oil and antifreeze on them and they get thrown out, but meanwhile have done many jobs before being tossed.

2. If it is going to be a long job, I have used a metal tool box, a flat scrap of sheetmetal, and a Coleman stove. Put the sheet metal on the grate of the Coleman, and the toolbox on top of that. Turn on the flame to "low". Now the tools don't suck the heat out of the hands.

3. If working in windy conditions, use a tarp or carpet scrap or cardboard or sheet of plywood as a wind break.

4. If the diesel fuel has gelled up (my 8000 Ford tractor did this while running), it is usually a problem in the fuel filters. It can be ungelled with a hand held propane torch directed on the fuel filters and the fuel lines. If there is no winter diesel available, straight kerosene can be added to the fuel tank to "winterize" the existing fuel. This mix is safe up to 50-50 kero/diesel, and will prevent gelling to about -40.

5. Winter gasoline is a different formulation than summer gas. This means harder starting, as the summer gas does not vaporize very well at cold temps. I have found gas that contains ethanol is hygroscopic and draws moisture from the air in spring, summer, and fall. It becomes much more difficult to ignite in a cold engine. Thus maybe some ether starting fluid is needed until that old gas is used up and fresh winter gas is in the tank.

6. Even though you may have a tractor plugged in (some kind of coolant heater), it only gets the top of the engine warm. The oil stays thick and cold. We have used torpedo heaters, big propane torchs, and even a big metal dish of hot charcoal to warm up the oil. This is maybe even more important for the transmission, as todays tractor transmissions are more expensive to fix or replace than the engines are.

7. ???? I'll bet that many other folks from MN, Dakotas, Montana, Idaho, and the western Canadian provinces can add a whole bunch of cold weather tips to this list. Lets get this thread going!

Paul in MN

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bj/8n/mt

12-06-2005 08:43:26




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 Re: Cold Weather Mechanical Tips in reply to Paul in MN, 12-05-2005 10:28:40  
Lots of good advice. Three things I would ad from the Montana banana belt where twenty below is predicted for tonight:

1) If you are going to use a coolant heater get a tank heater and get one at around a thousand watts. Beats soft plug heaters up and down and you heater in cab works from the get go. Or get a magnetic heater and put it on the oil pan.

2) Keep a set of tools in the house. Just a few wrenches and pliers but you will be glad you did when you need to work on something outside.

3)Rubber gets brittle below zero. Extension cords, radiator hoses, all that stuff will break before it bends so put a little heat on it before you try to move it.

Your mileage may vary

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FarmerDawn

12-06-2005 18:08:36




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 Re: Cold Weather Mechanical Tips in reply to bj/8n/mt, 12-06-2005 08:43:26  
Boy! Those suggestions (numbers 2 & 3, especially) are REALLY good ones! I plan to bring some tools in tomorrow in fact, as a result. (We're getting your 20 below in the NE panhandle TOMORROW night; you coulda' kept it in Montana you know. We wouldn't mind a bit. :-)



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Jim n Tx

12-05-2005 16:57:09




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 Re: Cold Weather Mechanical Tips in reply to Paul in MN, 12-05-2005 10:28:40  
Here in Arlington Tx.(Dallas/Ft.Worth)it can prob. just wait till tomorrow if you can't get it in a warm shed.If it's 30 today it will most likely be 70 tomorrow.



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Paul in MN

12-05-2005 18:31:41




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 Re: Cold Weather Mechanical Tips in reply to Jim n Tx, 12-05-2005 16:57:09  
Up here, we consider +30 to be warm. Hardly worth the aggravation of putting on gloves to work at that temp. We are expecting about -5 tonight with an expected high tomorrow of maybe +10. Truely, I do get to dislike this real cold stuff.

Hey, you got enough extra space in your shed for 9 tractors, a bobcat, 2 bailers, a couple of trucks, and some place to work? Maybe I should look into doing Texas in the winter (:<). {The < is my frozen mustache}.

Paul in MN

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Jim n Tx

12-05-2005 20:42:50




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 Re: Cold Weather Mechanical Tips in reply to Paul in MN, 12-05-2005 18:31:41  
I keep my 8n over in east Tx. The shed is just big enough to get the tractor in and walk all the way around it. If I had to I could do some work on it in there. Hopefully by the time I get down there full time I'll have a building big enough for it and the old OMC Mustang skid steer loader and lots a room to move around.



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FarmerDawn

12-05-2005 19:00:05




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 Re: Cold Weather Mechanical Tips in reply to Paul in MN, 12-05-2005 18:31:41  
I love the frozen mustache! LOL Yeah, it's to be -9 here tonight and the high tomorrow? 3. Bleah.



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D Masury

12-05-2005 15:05:04




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 Re: Cold Weather Mechanical Tips in reply to Paul in MN, 12-05-2005 10:28:40  
I guess h*ll is about to freeze over...last year here in southern Maine it was 12 below 0.... my 9N stared right up.... well, it cranked a little slower than usual, but started right up.....the best thing I can suggest is have your tractor in a shed, stabilizer in your gas, and a proper tune up before winter sets in....happy holidays



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Dell (WA)

12-05-2005 13:56:18




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 Re: Cold Weather Mechanical Tips in reply to Paul in MN, 12-05-2005 10:28:40  
ALWAYS start yer tractor in REVERSE; otherwize yer frozen to the ground reartires will ROTATE the light frontend of the tractor over on top of you before you know what is happening..... ...Dell



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jetman8N

12-05-2005 13:25:52




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 Re: Cold Weather Mechanical Tips in reply to Paul in MN, 12-05-2005 10:28:40  
Brrr, brings back memories of growing up in northern Wisconsin. Our equipment and vehicles were never very reliable so we spent a lot of time working in the cold. Another couple of tips I'd add to the list is be careful not to get gasoline on skin. At 30 below, the gasoline will still vaporize due to removing heat from the skin and it gets really cold, really fast (can we spell frostbite, boys and girls?). Another is if you are trying to start something, warm the battery. They lose a ton of energy as they get colder. And of course, if you've tried ether and it doesn't start, just pull the plugs and spray some oil in the cylinders cause the normal oil keeping the pistons from scraping the cylinders will be gone. It gets really hard to turn the engine over and ruins the walls. The same goes if you've flooded the engine without getting it started.

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Richard H.

12-05-2005 13:06:04




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 Re: Cold Weather Mechanical Tips in reply to Paul in MN, 12-05-2005 10:28:40  
Do not Kiss your tractor when it finally does start! You could be stuck there a while.....



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Tim...Ok

12-05-2005 12:08:38




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 Re: Cold Weather Mechanical Tips in reply to Paul in MN, 12-05-2005 10:28:40  
Best tip I can offer is move south 8^) Course our high today is in the 20's,so even that might be bad advise..

Tim



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FarmerDawn

12-05-2005 13:12:12




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 Re: Cold Weather Mechanical Tips in reply to Tim...Ok, 12-05-2005 12:08:38  
Yeah, my family is originally from Oklahoma, so I know the weather there! I don't know that an ice storm is much better than a ground blizzard, when it comes right down to it though! LOL They got a good snapshot of today's "little blizzardette" when it rolled from here into Chadron (about 60 miles east of us) around 9 am. If you look at that picture, you'll see why I can't wait to get Arthur INSIDE! (You polar bears on the forum from Alaska and North Dakota and such can snicker all you want. It's COLD to this li'l desert-raised rat!)

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Tim...Ok

12-05-2005 14:55:09




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 Re: Cold Weather Mechanical Tips in reply to FarmerDawn, 12-05-2005 13:12:12  
I hate ice.. we had one a few years ago,couple inches of ice on everything..that was ugly.

Heres my tip..doesn't really apply to N's though,make sure your diesel is appropriate for temps in your area,put additive in it if your not sure..gelled diesel is no fun..

Tim



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Tim...Ok

12-05-2005 14:54:13




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 Re: Cold Weather Mechanical Tips in reply to FarmerDawn, 12-05-2005 13:12:12  
I hate ice.. we had one a few years ago,couple inches of ice on everything..that was ugly.

Heres my tip..doesn't really apply to N's though,make sure your diesel is appropriate for temps in your area,put additive in it if your not sure..gelled diesel is no fun..

Tim



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Bruce (VA)

12-05-2005 11:45:15




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 Re: Cold Weather Mechanical Tips in reply to Paul in MN, 12-05-2005 10:28:40  
I live in VA where we define "cold" as below 40*, so my 2 cents worth will come from a few cold weather survival FTX's while in Special Forces. First off, pay attention to your lubricants; what works well at 40* above will not likely work at 0* or lower. I recall dumping kerosene in the crankcases of the vehicles to thin the engine oil at 20* below; when the engine reached operating temp, it burned off. And, any moisture in the gasoline will ice in the carb; you can fabricate a quick carb heater out of tinfoil or make a more permanent one out of sheet tin. All you need to do is get the warm air off of the manifold down around the carb. Most else I remember had to do with keeping the weapons operational, so I don't think that would be of much help here! We had some great senior NCO's who were in Russia in WWII w/ the German Army; we even had one guy, a Finn, who was in the Russo-Finnish War of 1940. Yea, I'm old....

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FarmerDawn

12-05-2005 10:57:35




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 Re: Cold Weather Mechanical Tips in reply to Paul in MN, 12-05-2005 10:28:40  
What a GREAT thread!! Thank you for starting it, Paul! I've already learned two things I can do to make working outside better. (I was laying in the snow and also had a lot of trouble with tools icing up. No wonder it took me SO long to get warm after I came inside!)



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TVeenker

12-05-2005 10:54:46




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 Re: Cold Weather Mechanical Tips in reply to Paul in MN, 12-05-2005 10:28:40  
Paul: Some very good tips - and since you're from Minnesota - certainly means you HAVE worked on these tractors in the cold! This a.m. we had 6 below zero in my area! One thing I would add is for the guys to remember that we lose a lot of heat through the top of our head, so have a cap or hat along and use it if you have to be out in the cold for any period of time.



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Tom in MS

12-05-2005 15:10:21




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 Re: Cold Weather Mechanical Tips in reply to TVeenker, 12-05-2005 10:54:46  
Places as cold as you'll describe aren't meant to be inhabited by humans..28 here tonight and I hate it...



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Mr Bill No. Mn.

12-05-2005 16:00:42




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 Re: Cold Weather Mechanical Tips in reply to Tom in MS, 12-05-2005 15:10:21  
Don"t drink anything with booze in it either as it will make yu colder. 0 here right now.-Bill



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Tom in MS

12-05-2005 16:03:05




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 Re: Cold Weather Mechanical Tips in reply to Mr Bill No. Mn., 12-05-2005 16:00:42  
Please keep it up there...Highs here for the next several days will be around 43--lows in the 20s.. Thats plenty cold for me..As I get older I dislike the cold even more..



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Mr Bill No. Mn.

12-05-2005 19:58:03




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 Re: Cold Weather Mechanical Tips in reply to Tom in MS, 12-05-2005 16:03:05  
ME TOO. Gotta find a warm place to go in the winter.



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