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8n ford 12v wont charge batt

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Richard Blumel

12-15-2005 19:57:18




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I bought a 8n ford and had to replace a few things, to top it off I am not sure when but the alternator no longer outputs the 13-14 needed to charge the batt. I have had a local store test the Voltage regulator this is external and the the alternator that is new also.I think ford part# 7180. They test the voltage regulator as bad and I replaced that and still a slowly draing batt when running. The alternator tested as good. We had to replaced the ignition a few weeks back and this may have been the start of the problem. I need a wire digram I guess. Here are some pictures to help. Link I am very lost and have to get this thing running for a hay ride on Sat... Any help would be great.

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Clint MN

12-16-2005 21:35:15




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 Re: 8n ford 12v wont charge batt in reply to Richard Blumel, 12-15-2005 19:57:18  
Mike- You are obviously a fairly young man of approximately 30 years of age or less, or you would know otherwise. Alternators were in common use for 10-15 years before the electronics were perfected enough to fit the regulators into the alternator case itself. Our friend's problem is EXACTLY the kind of botched job that gives 12v conversions a bad name. Some conversions deserve respect, such as replacing a bad v-12 in a Jaguar with a 350 chevy, because the 350 is lighter, runs cooler, has more power,and gets better fuel economy than the Jag engine. However, if one were to replace it with a Vega engine- not a great idea! Our friend has the electrical equivalent of that bad engine swap. The Delco 10 si alternator is the gold standard of swaps- readily obtainable, easy to wire, reliable as the sun, and if it ever does crap out- extremely easy to fix! Why mess with anything else?

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Richard Blumel

12-16-2005 11:39:25




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 Re: 8n ford 12v wont charge batt in reply to Richard Blumel, 12-15-2005 19:57:18  
Ill go ahead and wire this up correctly and see if it works. Ill get back later tonight. To bad that knowing my luck I fried the VR again. It may be the same price to go to a Dellco alternator.



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ZANE

12-16-2005 06:29:31




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 Re: 8n ford 12v wont charge batt in reply to Richard Blumel, 12-15-2005 19:57:18  
With the external Delco voltage regulator there must be a voltage to the solenoid switch of the voltage. If the solenoid is being energized you will hear an audable click when the ignition switch is turned on. There must be a wire that is made hot along with the ignition circuit when the ignition switch is turned on.

If there is no audible click at the regulator you don't have voltage coming to it to energize the solenoid internally.

I hope you can understand me better than I could understand the guy in India this morning when I called about my DSL server!!!!! !!!! I told him we both probably were trying to speak English but one of us wasn't doing very good at it! I don't know if it was my hearing or my understanding or both. We did get the ----- - thing going again!

Zane

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Bob

12-16-2005 06:49:12




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 Re: 8n ford 12v wont charge batt in reply to ZANE, 12-16-2005 06:29:31  
ZANE,

That's an ELECTRONIC Chrysler alternator, with a FORD alternator.



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Bob

12-16-2005 17:11:29




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 Re: 8n ford 12v wont charge batt in reply to Bob, 12-16-2005 06:49:12  
I screwed up. He's the corrected text:


That's an ELECTRONIC Chrysler REGULATOR, with a FORD alternator.



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Bob

12-15-2005 21:31:05




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 Re: 8n ford 12v wont charge batt in reply to Richard Blumel, 12-15-2005 19:57:18  
If it were mine, I would toss the alternator with EXTERNAL regulator, get a Delco 10SI with INTERNAL regulator, and wire it up according the the correct diagram from the site linked below, depending upon whether it has a front-mount or a side-mount distributor.

(After typing the above, I opened your picture link.)

The setup you have is a Chrysler-style voltage regulator connected to a Ford alternator!

This DOES work, though! The regulator must be grounded. One terminal on the regulator will be fed from the ignition switch, and the other will be connected to the alternator's field, and it appears the blue wire does this. However, I do not recall which terminal is which on the regulator, and am 25 miles away from my referance materials at the shop, as I post this. If these wires are, or have been reversed, the regulator will be "toast".

The setup you have certainly can be made to work, yet for what has already been done, you could have bought the much simpler internally regulated Delco.

On the alternator, the blue wire is the field connection, and the voltage (with the engine running) at the field will vary from near full battery voltage, if the regulator is calling for max charge, down to near zero, if the battery has come up to near full charge, and the regulator is cutting back. The red wire is the output, and should read battery voltage, and be connected to the ammeter.

In Image 30-1, is the ignition switch terminal connected to the regulator's red wire the "START" terminal, or the switch's "ACCY" terminal?

It needs to be connected to the "ACCY" terminal.

So, my advice, if you want to fix what you have:

1.) We need to verify the power from the ignition switch is connected to the proper terminal on the regulator.

2.) We need to verify that the regulator wire is connected to the switch's "ACCY" terminal, AND that the regulator has power to it when the switch is "ON".

3.) With the engine running, the "field" terminal on the alternator must have voltage to it, and the alternator's large output stud should be outputting 13.5- 14.5 Volts.

(After typing the above, I Googled, and found THIS SITE):

Link

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Richard Blumel

12-16-2005 17:25:31




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 Re: 8n ford 12v wont charge batt in reply to Bob, 12-15-2005 21:31:05  
Well it works if I take the voltage regulator out of the loop after moving the one wire on the ign to the accy. So we also fried the brand new regulator which sucks but too late now. I buy a new one of thoes and I am off and going. Thank you for the help. I appriciate it greatly.



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Bob

12-16-2005 17:51:32




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 Re: 8n ford 12v wont charge batt in reply to Richard Blumel, 12-16-2005 17:25:31  
Your pictures made it possible to see how it was hooked up. I had no clue as to what you had ;til I went to the picture site.

I hope it works with the new regulator.

What terminal WAS the wire from the regulator connected to, at the ignition switch?



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Richard Blumel

12-17-2005 13:13:30




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 Re: 8n ford 12v wont charge batt in reply to Bob, 12-16-2005 17:51:32  
The wire was connected to the start term. and the wires were reversed on the reg.



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MikeT

12-15-2005 21:19:34




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 Re: 8n ford 12v wont charge batt in reply to Richard Blumel, 12-15-2005 19:57:18  
Alternators have a voltage regulator built in, so an external regulator should not be required.

Which distributor do you have? Front mount 6 or 12V or side mount 6 or 12V?

Here are two diagrams:
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http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mike_in_katy/PlaneWood/12Vwire2.gif



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