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Ken S.

12-18-2005 10:34:59




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My front mount 8N has a delco 10-SI alternator with the wire connector at 9oclock looking from the pulley end. That puts the wires right next to the exhaust maifold and it's fring them. My question is can the house halves be reassembled so that the wires are it 12 oclock? It looks like it can be done from the outside but I done know about the inside.




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Rob

12-18-2005 11:12:21




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 Re: Question for Alternator guys in reply to Ken S., 12-18-2005 10:34:59  
Yep, they can be turned to every 90*. Take it in to the alternator/starter shop and they should do it while you wait. No big deal. Maybe at no charge.
6 o"clock is not good because of the mount. I think 3 o"clock is greater chance the wires get snagged on a tree. I"d go for 12 o"clock.



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Bob

12-18-2005 11:10:34




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 Re: Question for Alternator guys in reply to Ken S., 12-18-2005 10:34:59  
Yes, the rear half of the case can be "clocked" to any of 4 positions with NO internal mods.

1.) Remove all 4 case bolts.

2.) SLIGHTLY separate the case halves ONLY ENOUGH so they can be rotated with respect to each other. The stator laminations, visible in the gap between the 2 case halves, MUST stay with the back half of the alternator, as there are leads from the windings in the laminations to the rectifier bridge in the back half of the alternator.

If you separate the halves any more, one or both of the brushes will drop off of the slip rings, and break when the case is forced back together.

If a brush drops out of place, pull the alternator completely apart, find a 2" length of "mechanic's wire", make sure the brush springs are in the brushholder, then insert the brushes, one at a time, and hold them down while inserting the wire through the hole in the back of the case that lines up with the holes for this purpose in the brushholder.

The wire holds the brushes safely retracted while you reassemble the alternator.

Then, carefully withdraw the wire out of the back of the alternator, BEFORE attempting to use it.

(Before putting the alternator back together, wipe any dirt and grease off of the rotor shaft. Carefully clean any dirt and grease away from the periphery of the rear case bearing, so it doesn't get pushed into the bearing by the rotor shaft. If the needle bearing looks dry, put a TINY amount of high-temp wheel bearing grease in it before reassembly.)

3.) Reinstall the 4 case bolts, and snug them up evenly.

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Ken S.

12-18-2005 13:32:27




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 Re: Question for Alternator guys in reply to Bob, 12-18-2005 11:10:34  
Thanks Bob and Rob.


Ricko 7001, why yuh hijacking my thread?



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ricko7001

12-18-2005 10:52:08




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 12 volt conversion in reply to Ken S., 12-18-2005 10:34:59  
Can someone give me a simple rundown on how to convert to 12 volt on an 8n with front dist. Tried it and have no fire??



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Dan Hill

12-20-2005 02:45:42




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 Re: 12 volt conversion in reply to ricko7001, 12-18-2005 10:52:08  
Have you noticed that most problems on the forum have to do with 12v conversions.



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Rob

12-18-2005 11:17:44




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 Re: 12 volt conversion in reply to ricko7001, 12-18-2005 10:52:08  
You have juice to the coil? Take off the wire, turn on the key and brushs the wire to ground to check for spark.

You need to start and work from there.

12v conversion shouldn"t kill power to the coil unless you took some wire off and left it off.

You add any resisters?

Forget about the alternator for now, find out just where you have juice and why it can"t get from the battery to the coil. It goes through the key switch you know.

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ricko700

12-18-2005 11:26:23




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 Re: 12 volt conversion in reply to Rob, 12-18-2005 11:17:44  
does it matter what type coil I use so long as its 12 volt without resistor or 6 volt with resistor..does it matter what type alternator I use. Dont have a key start just a push button on dash..the floor mounted one supposedly doesn twork



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souNdguy

12-18-2005 14:27:37




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 Re: 12 volt conversion in reply to ricko700, 12-18-2005 11:26:23  
A square 12v coil still needs about 1/2 ohm of external resistance. The square 6v coil needs both the ballast resistor and the 8ne10306 dropping resistor.

As the others said.. you need a non momentary ignition switch.. as well as a starter switch. They can be one inthe same if you have added a 'regular' starter relay, and use 3 3 position spring loaded auto style ig/st switch.

Soundguy



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Rob

12-18-2005 11:47:18




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 Re: 12 volt conversion in reply to ricko700, 12-18-2005 11:26:23  
You need something more than a push button.

You need to close a switch and leave it closed to put juice to the coil. That"s all the ignition switch does. Push button won"t do.

Really, find out if you got juice to the top of the coil. You won"t because you don"t have a switch.

Some alternators are as good as any and some need an external regulator. You need to add a resistor or two with a 6v coil. Dell says you need to add resistors for the 12v coil but not just to get juice to the coil. But that is jumping ahead. Take one thing at a time.

Get juice to the coil and worry about whether the alternator is charging later.

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Bob

12-18-2005 11:12:01




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 Re: 12 volt conversion in reply to ricko7001, 12-18-2005 10:52:08  
Are you using a Delco 10SI 3-wire alternator?

What coil are you using, the original 6-Volt, or a 12-Volt replacement coil?



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