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FarmerDawn

01-13-2006 15:27:12




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Did the compression tests again today with the choke IN (open!) and using only 1 tsp of oil per spark plug hole on the wet test. Here are the results. (The wet readings didn't changea whole lot, but the dry ones did; they went up quite a bit.)

DRY COMPRESSION TEST
#1 - 85 psi
#2 - 46 psi
#3 - 75 psi
#4 - 70 psi

WET COMPRESSION TEST
#1 - 86 psi
#2 - 54 psi
#3 - 78 psi
#4 - 76 psi

How do those look, do you think? --Dawn

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Bob Harvey

01-14-2006 10:17:30




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 Re: redone compression results in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-13-2006 15:27:12  
Hey Dawn, you should get some 'Simple Green' cleaner--non-flammable--works well. Then you won't have to get dirty every time you play with your pal !



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FarmerDawn

01-14-2006 10:19:53




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 Re: redone compression results in reply to Bob Harvey, 01-14-2006 10:17:30  
For me or for Arthur? (That's a genuine question.) I've heard of it, but don't know if it's a brand name for a line of cleaners or something specific, or ... (and I do plan to clean him starting today).



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Bob Harvey

01-14-2006 17:10:24




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 Re: redone compression results in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-14-2006 10:19:53  
Hi Dawn, I wouldn't dare suggest any personal cleansing products, Simple Green and other like degreaser products are available at most automotive parts stores and the likes of Wal-Mart et al. The good thing is they are water rinse and non flammable. It might take a couple of applications to get clean, clean ,clean - some elbow grease helps and it does make a certain amount of mess ( a plastic or metal catch basin helps), but the stuff works. As always read the label carefully...don't try a sip..it tastes terrible! Cheers, Bob

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OH Boy

01-14-2006 07:10:58




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 Oil on side of engine in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-13-2006 15:27:12  
Dawn, that oil on the manifold side of the engine looks like leaky tappet covers to me, new gaskets there will fix that, won't cost much at all.



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FarmerDawn

01-14-2006 10:21:24




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 Re: Oil on side of engine in reply to OH Boy, 01-14-2006 07:10:58  
Thank you! I will look those up in my books right away. (I am familiar - a little - with tappets, but I don't know about tappet covers yet.) :-) --Dawn



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Bill (BC)

01-13-2006 20:40:57




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 Re: Manifold Oil Pressurre in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-13-2006 15:27:12  
Dawn, From looking at the picture your manifold, It doesn't look all that bad perhaps a gasket?
The one area that appears to go first is the flange that the exhaust pipe connects to.
From the posted picture its hard to tell about that.

Although I have read most posts ( I may may of missed it) why do you think the engine ran with out oil??? Sounds from a previous post that it may be a oil guage problem?
I went through a similar situation when I first got my 8N.
The exact engine conditon was unknown & I unable to see oil pressure, turning the engine over, priming etc etc.. Finally started the engine (rusted pinhole in oil line) & surprise oil everywhere a Gusher athough no indication.
Replaced the guage for $12.00.
As others have sugested it may be worth pulling the head to check the valves (low reading cylinder).
One of our vintage club members pushing 84 & has & still works on lots of basket cases that I won't even think twice about insists that these n's do not need a lot of compression to start & run well ??
Is Arthur's clutch still stuck !!!

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FarmerDawn

01-13-2006 21:06:40




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 sheesh! in reply to Bill (BC), 01-13-2006 20:40:57  
OK, the two posts below with identical subject lines are DIFFERENT. And they seem to make only marginal sense. I think the drama of the last few days has wiped me out. Sorry about that, Bill. Didn't mean to get all garbly while talking to you . . . I'd better knock off for the day. --Dawn



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FarmerDawn

01-13-2006 20:58:32




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 Re: Manifold Oil Pressurre in reply to Bill (BC), 01-13-2006 20:40:57  
Oh, I misunderstood your question; you are asking why I think he ran without oil. Well, for one thing when I first took the oil line off the gauge, there wasn't any oil coming out. Also, it was clear the oil hadn't been changed in a LONG time, as the oil plug is still fossilized into place. Absolutely petrified. I had to use a chisel just to find it! LOL BUT (ready?) the oil on the dipstick was clear, clean, and fresh. Plus the guy at the school I bought it from told me it hadn't been run in at least 2 years he knew of. So I'm thinking its oil had just sort of driveled away and that they didn't "replace" it, but simply poured in new. Last but not least, the fellow who started it up and tried to drive it down into the canyon for me apparently never thought to look at the oil gauge either. Or maybe he thought it was simply broken, I don't know. But I'm pretty sure, based on all I've learned since that day, that when he got it going for the first time in at least 2 years, the oil pump was dry and not sending anything through the system. (pausing for breath). So I don't KNOW Arthur ran without oil for that 40 minutes or whatever it was, but I am very suspicious. --Dawn :-)

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Bill (BC)

01-13-2006 22:02:12




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 Re: Manifold Oil Pressurre in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-13-2006 20:58:32  
Dawn, No problem I get like that as well. If you had oil on the dipstick chances are good that the engine had oil circulation as well.
If the engine had not run for two years It proably took a crank or two to get it started so I highly doubt you ran the engine without any oil pressure.
Also if it sat that long with we assume no oil.
The engine would have seized in minutes & would not have run for 40
I suspect hopefully its just the guage.
The knocking may have been previous damage, exhaust leak or something else ??
The oil may be suspect but if it was clean at the dipstick it really doesn't sound all that bad!!

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FarmerDawn

01-13-2006 20:45:27




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 Re: Manifold Oil Pressurre in reply to Bill (BC), 01-13-2006 20:40:57  
Oh yes, his clutch is still stuck. :-) I'm glad that you think maybe that manifold will make it through to next winter to get fixed. I guess I was judging it by the rust, plus there was that time I got antifreeze on the back of it and boy! did it smoke!

As to running without oil, well . . . I think I've learned now to look at the oil pressure gauge. :-) Poor Arthur! He'd certainly be better off with a more experienced new friend, but so far he's been awfully patient with me.

Whew. I'm just not liking the idea of laying on my back and dropping an oil pan on myself, and then trying to learn how to repair an engine as I'm reaching UP!! LOL (and ow, ow, ow) :-)

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Bill (BC)

01-13-2006 21:42:44




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 Re: Cylinder Head in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-13-2006 20:45:27  
Dawn, I suspect that the manifold could last for quite a few more years (mostly surface rust).
Your cylinder head appears identical to mine, bolts etc.Just went into the garage to confirm
Mine I beleive is a 1950 8N264774.
Members of the board here have suggested that the fastners were orginally studs not bolts?

As far as the clutch goes it is surprisingly easy to fix even if you have to split the tractor!!
Just need a floor jack on wheels which you have from your pictures.
Also you would use this same jack to remove the oil pan, so heavy lifting is not required.
Have you got the clutch petal tied down, this may help get it loosened up??
It is surprising how little rust will totally lock the clutch plate in place.

Now as far as the age think goes!! I'm afraid that 52 is NOT OLD, unless you happen to be a teenager!!! (or an 8N)
I remember having lots of good conversations with my wife's late uncle (a homesteader in the Canadian prairies)when he was in his late 80's.
He said he felt mentally the same as when he was 12 (wasn't all that bad physically either).
AT that time I was in my 30's, & I could not remember much about myself at 13 ??
Anyway's I left his place (reenergised) many times thinking that WOW I'm the one that was old !!!!
So I learned early from a youngster that you are only as old as you WANT TO BE and being in your 50's doesn't cut it !!!!!

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FarmerDawn

01-13-2006 21:47:21




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 Re: Cylinder Head in reply to Bill (BC), 01-13-2006 21:42:44  
LOL! All right! I'm game! (Heck, my son has always said I'm actually 8 at heart. My body has disagreed some lately, but here we go . . .) :-) (Yes, I should have quit by now and gone to sleep. But my mind is a-whirl with tractor!)



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FarmerDawn

01-13-2006 19:46:50




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 WOW!!!! in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-13-2006 15:27:12  
Thanks for all the TERRIFICALLY HELPFUL comments, guys!!! (I just got a chance to get back on line.) I am going to print everything out and start studying over it so I can figure out exactly where I'm going with it now. I know I will have questions as I review everything and look at my engine and then at my books, and I hope that's ok.

As of right now, I have three questions.
1. Do I need to get the oil drain plug off to drain oil before I start the engine work, or is there another way to get the oil out and then work on that stuck-up drain after I get the oil pan off?
2. I read everything really fast just now and it's all kind of whirling in my mind, so I don't remember who pointed out that the engine head is a different type of casting. I'm just wondering what that means. Do you guys think the engine head has been replaced at some point? Is this still an 8N engine head or maybe is it off something else? (Would something else FIT?)
3. I've been wondering if I should invest in either renting or buying an engine stand so I can turn the engine over to work on the crankshaft and all. At 35 I could have worked on it from a creeper or the floor. At 53, I'm not sure I can. Well, not realistically. I'm just not as strong as . . . well, as you guys seem to be! LOL What do you think? Would it make a big difference to be able to turn it over and stuff while I worked on it?

OK, I'm going to save all your comments right this minute and print them to read over again several times, then compare them to my books and start figuring it all out. I guess the bottom line I'm seeing is -- this is DOABLE!!!!! YAY!!!!!

I've said it before, but I'll say it again: YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST!!!

Dawn :-) :-) :-)

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Paul in MN

01-13-2006 17:00:12




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 Re: redone compression results in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-13-2006 15:27:12  
Dawn.

I've kind of been waiting all day to see these results. Just about what I predicted for numbers (which makes me feel good).

These numbers tell me that there is nothing major wrong with this engine. I still suspect a burned exhaust valve in cylinder #2, and all cylinders need the valves ground (or lapped in). And then the tappets need to be adjusted.

I'll stick my neck out and disagree with Old on his prediction of the knock coming from #2 (he may be right, but it will be real difficult to predict that one). If the engine had been run with no oil pressure, which I think is a good possibility, then the greatest likelyhood for damage is the connecting rod journal farthest from the oil pump, which is #4. Usually the connecting rod bearings are damaged from oil starvation quite a bit before the main bearings are destroyed. I have seen the inside of engines "schrapnelled" by oil starvation, but the connecting rod bearings go first, maybe to the point of seizing the rod to the crank, breaking the rod and then slamming it through the block. But, I heard your sound clip of this engine running, and it is nowhere near the point of self destruction. Just don't start it and run it until after you have dropped the pan and inspected the connecting rod bearings.

Where to go from here? Drain the antifreeze from both the block drain on the left side of the engine block, and the drain at the bottom of the radiator at the bottom left corner where the big lower hose goes into the radiator. Antifreeze is toxic to animals, and they like the sweet taste, so be sure to put it in a covered pail or sealed up gallon milk jugs. You should get between 2 and 3 gallons out of it.

Next, remove the head, all head bolts should be the same length, so no need to label them individually. I think they take a 5/8" socket, so your new set will find real use! On some engines, the original head bolts will be replaced by studs with nuts, and that is perfectly good too. If it is studs, you do not have to get the studs out of the block, just take the nuts off and lift the head. It will be stuck, but not very heavy. The head must come off to service the valves, and inspect the tops of the pistons, and the cylinder bore for deep scratches (probably none, although #2 is the questionable one).

To check the connecting rod bearings and journals, you need to remove the oil pan. But first loosen the radiator hoses and take off the radiator. Then block up the middle of the tractor by using good wood blocking under the transmission and bell housing area. Then take the entire front axle, radius rods, tie rods, and wheels and axle housing as a single unit. You'll need help from someone with this as it is top heavy and likes to just fold up and quickly lay down on the ground. All of its weight can be moved on the front tires, if you keep them aimed straight ahead. Now you can take the oil pan bolts out and drop the pan. If you have a creeper to lay on and roll on the concrete floor, your body will thank you. Working on the underside of an engine by laying on a creeper is not too bad.

Well think about it and make your own plan.

Paul

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old

01-13-2006 18:40:43




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 Re: redone compression results in reply to Paul in MN, 01-13-2006 17:00:12  
Paul, The only reson I figure that the knock will also be from the #2 cylinder is that over the years of playing with engine most problems stay with each other so low compression and a bad rod bear can go hand in hand. Shoot a bad rod bearing could even cause the compression to be lower. I couldn't listen to her sound clip so I didn't here the knock. I'm just going on an educated guess and thats about all it is. Shoot it could even be all the rod bearing, but I have only seen one engine that had that problem.

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Paul in MN

01-13-2006 19:07:50




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 Re: redone compression results in reply to old, 01-13-2006 18:40:43  
Old,

I hope that you didn't take my earlier comment as something personal, because your guesses based on experience are as valid as mine. My thought process here was that I've seen more exhaust valve problems in 8n's in #2 cylinder, like maybe that is a hot spot. And knowing that this tractor had been run with no prime in the oil pump (high probability), that the likely damage to a connecting rod bearing is the one with the least oil. Only Dawn will be the judge, and I'm pretty sure that she'll support her findings with pictures. If she gets real lucky, we will both be wrong!

Cheers! And I think and hope that both of us are enjoying this discussion.

Paul

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old

01-13-2006 19:33:00




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 Re: redone compression results in reply to Paul in MN, 01-13-2006 19:07:50  
No I didn't take it personal, shoot I still think she has ring problem in #2 and again that would go along with the rod bearing being bad in #2. Shoot the knock could even be a wrist pin in a piston. Who knows at this time its all guess till you open it up and see. LOL



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DickTN

01-13-2006 16:50:09




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 Re: redone compression results in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-13-2006 15:27:12  
Dawn, I'm a latecomer to your posts. It looks like all cylinders are low, although runnable, except for #2. Did you have the throttle in the wide-open position when you did this test? I assume the engine was cold at time of testing. It is best to do compression tests on a warm engine, if possible. The consistently low readings on #2 would tend to indicate a valve problem to me, but, again, I have not been following your posts. As far as an engine knock is concerned, I guess my first question would be " what is the oil pressure when the engine is running and warmed up?" You might want to check for manifold leaks, particularly an exhaust leak back by #4 cylinder. To the untrained ear, this can sound like a knock. Good luck with your tractor.

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FarmerDawn

01-13-2006 17:01:24




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 Re: redone compression results in reply to DickTN, 01-13-2006 16:50:09  
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Thanks, Dick! Yes, I suspect there's got to be a manifold leak somewhere because (as you can see in the picture below) the manifold just doesn't look very healthy. I'm hoping it will hold up until NEXT winter, though.

The oil pressure was initially zero because the pump was dry, but now it's back up -- I don't know how high because the gauge is also not working, but there is oil in the line now. (I got it ALL OVER! LOL) Throttle wide-open on the test, yes. And yep, it was a cold engine 'cause I'm not running it until I figure out if there's a broken (or spun, Old [grin]) connecting rod bearing.

Thanks for your "luck-wishing" as I will undoubtedly need all I can get! :-) --Dawn

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FarmerDawn

01-13-2006 16:08:53




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 another picture in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-13-2006 15:27:12  
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Here is the top of his engine head, showing the spark plug holes. (I know he needs cleaning and paint and stuff, but isn't he nice-looking!) :-)



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Paul in MN

01-13-2006 17:19:24




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 Re: another picture in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-13-2006 16:08:53  
I just saw this picture after writing the above reply. I have never seen this head casting used on an 8n. I have worked on many, and all have had a flat surface going across the top with the cup shape areas at the 4 spark plugs. This casting looks like it has less tendency to warp, and the head bolts may be of different lengths. Compare them against each other when you take them out. I remove head bolts in a spread out order, 1 front, 1 rear, 1 middle. It is best to not just start at one end and work your way to the other end. That can have a (low) possibility of warping the head. There is a specific sequence to tightening the head bolts, so pay attention to that when the time comes.

You will find working on the valves MUCH easier if you remove the manifold, so start the penetrating oil on its studs and nuts now, as they are sure to be very rusty. Also inspect the exhaust manifold gasket for "blow outs", especially at the rear corner, as that can result in the "rapping" sound.

Of course I have told you all this and the above post so that you can move "full speed ahead" this weekend. :-)

Paul

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FarmerDawn

01-13-2006 16:06:42




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 Re: redone compression results in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-13-2006 15:27:12  
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Here is the other side of his engine. Again, I'm doing triage work this winter, and I know I have to fix that banging noise and get his clutch unstuck. But let me know if you see something else here that's hanging by a thread.

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murn-ga

01-13-2006 16:21:28




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 Re: redone compression results in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-13-2006 16:06:42  
Looks great. Even has a temp senser in upper hose.



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FarmerDawn

01-13-2006 16:45:57




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 Re: redone compression results in reply to murn-ga, 01-13-2006 16:21:28  
Woo-hoo!! Better and better!!



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FarmerDawn

01-13-2006 16:12:47




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 dial-up warning; above is picture in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-13-2006 16:06:42  
I forgot to change the subject line. The above post contains a photograph. :-( Sorry.



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HowardUSA

01-13-2006 17:46:50




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 Re: dial-up warning; above is picture in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-13-2006 16:12:47  
Your photo was normal size and downloaded quickly on my dialup..I hope others follow your example.
HT



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FarmerDawn

01-13-2006 19:50:57




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 Re: dial-up warning; above is picture in reply to HowardUSA, 01-13-2006 17:46:50  
Oh, I'm relieved! Thanks for letting me know it was ok, Howard. I was on a real slow dial-up for years and I just hated it when I accidentally got into a big photograph that jammed everything up and I couldn't get out of it. I was worried I'd done the same to someone else. Whew!



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FarmerDawn

01-13-2006 16:04:41




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 picture 1 in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-13-2006 15:27:12  
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Here is a picture of Arthur without his hood. The red cloth on top of his engine is to cover the spark plug holes. I was afraid the barn cats would walk on the ceiling beams above him and knock stuff down in there.

I know there is a lot of stuff needing work, but I have DEFINITELY decided to do some of his repairs each winter for several winters in a row, using him as best I can each summer in between times. So although it's clear there's a lot that needs work, I'm doing triage at the moment. :-)

One thing I am worried about in that regard is the amount of very black oil on this side of the engine behind the radiator. It shows clearly here (under & behind the distributor). It's not like that on the other side. Any ideas? (The newer-looking oil stain way behind that is from where I didn't fasten the oil gauge line back securely yesterday and gave Arthur an oil bath.)

And one thing I think is cool is that he still has the old horsehair pad on the top of his radiator! --Dawn

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hvw

01-13-2006 16:43:01




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 Re: picture 1 in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-13-2006 16:04:41  
And it also looks like an original radiator. Do whatever you can to save it. Don't sweat small leaks because you can likely repair them. Mine leaked like a seive 20 years ago and it's still going strong. It's much better quality than new.



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FarmerDawn

01-13-2006 16:47:44




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 Re: picture 1 in reply to hvw, 01-13-2006 16:43:01  
WOW! (on your radiator keeping going like that!) OK, when it's time I will take lots of advice from you guys about how to fix it up as good as possible. I know I adore all these original parts on Arthur. I don't know why, but I am just tickled to find them, and have been since the first time I saw him and noticed "Hey! The generator is original!" :-)



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Carl S in NH

01-13-2006 16:39:09




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 Re: picture 1 in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-13-2006 16:04:41  
There is a gasket between the bottom of the engine and the pan below it. Does it look like your leaking oil is below the level of the gasket? If yes, then probably your gasket is letting some oil leak by it. I know the whole oil pan area on my N is covered in oil, but it doesn't bother me at all. It would be huge pain to put a new gasket on mine because I'd have to remove the loader frame etc. The oil keeps things from rusting....lol
Since you are probably going to drop your pan anyway, you'll be replacing that gasket and your oil leak should go away.
Oh, by the way, I had a question for you. Did Arthur have a grill on between the radiator and the loader? My N has no grill, and I don't know if that's because one wouldn't fit between the radiator and loader frame, or if it was because it just happened to be mising from the tractor I bought. If yours had one then it would answer that question about whether there's room for one or not.
Instead of a grill the dealer screwed a piece of 1/4" hardware cloth across the grill (very tacky looking!).
Just wondering.
Carl

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FarmerDawn

01-13-2006 16:45:12




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 Re: picture 1 in reply to Carl S in NH, 01-13-2006 16:39:09  
Oh gosh! Well no, there was no grille. It looked to me like it had been removed because of the way the "stuff" (pulley?) had been put through the front to attach the loader pump. And I remember seeing Wagner loader installation instructions that started with "remove the grille or cut a hole in the bottom of it."

I bet you're right about at least some of the leak being in the oil pan, as the whole underside is just THICK with yucky, tarry black oil. The oil drain plug looked like a rock before I dug it out. Does that sound right?

Dawn

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murn-ga

01-13-2006 16:32:29




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 Re: picture 1 in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-13-2006 16:04:41  
One other thing I noticed. You need to wiggle,giggle,turn back and forth the front loader pump shaft and pull it out. Should you start Arthur it will probably be banging against rad.



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FarmerDawn

01-13-2006 16:48:38




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 Re: picture 1 in reply to murn-ga, 01-13-2006 16:32:29  
Ooh, that sounds bad! OK, I will definitely get that thing out of there. Thank you!!!



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murn-ga

01-13-2006 16:16:15




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 Re: picture 1 in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-13-2006 16:04:41  
I think you have a bro to my 52. Oil leak at and around gov is not uncommon on these engines. I think that this would wait until next winter. Just check your oil every day that it is worked. Mine uses about a qt each summer.



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FarmerDawn

01-13-2006 16:21:53




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 Re: picture 1 in reply to murn-ga, 01-13-2006 16:16:15  
OH! Thank you so much, Murn!! That's GOOD to know!! (You just made me REAL happy!! I might actually be able to DO the things I have to get done this winter and use Arthur this summer!!! (ooooo, that makes me want to just jump up and down!) Thank you again, Murn, for knowing what this is and having such good news about how to handle it as an interim problem!!!!! --Dawn



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old

01-13-2006 15:47:53




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 Re: redone compression results in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-13-2006 15:27:12  
Well other then #2 cylinder they aren't all that bad for a cold engine that hasn't run much if any in the last year or so. Almost bet you will find when you pull the pan that #2 cyclinder will also be the one with the knock if thta where your knock is from. One by the way you have mail LOL



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FarmerDawn

01-13-2006 16:15:24




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 Re: redone compression results in reply to old, 01-13-2006 15:47:53  
Yes, I was thinking that, too. I mean, it seems just too coincidental that ONE cylinder is showing a problem (that does not seem to be in the rings) and that you guys suspect a broken connecting rod bearing.

Hey!! Maybe I'm starting to get a feel for this stuff!! :-)

Dawn



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old

01-13-2006 16:33:19




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 Re: redone compression results in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-13-2006 16:15:24  
Dawn, just to correct your term as far as the rod bearing it would be what is called spun, not broken. What happens to them is they spin on the crank shaft and thats where the term spun comes from.



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FarmerDawn

01-13-2006 16:54:55




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 Re: redone compression results in reply to old, 01-13-2006 16:33:19  
Hmmm. I'm not sure I understand. I can't figure out where it could spin TO. (Clearly, an area where there's a big gap in what I'm learning.) Do you have a picture of one that's messed up?



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vtscott

01-13-2006 17:33:16




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 Re: redone compression results in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-13-2006 16:54:55  
Dawn,

If you look at my post from last night "piston and crankshaft (pics)" the bottom pic shows the bearing. You can see it is different colered metal and the hole does not quite line up. There is a little notch on the left side (in my picture) that keeps them in place. In the second pic you can see the piston, connecting rod and the bearing, (at the bottom inside of the half-moon.)

Two half moon pieces, and two bolts it goes around the crank in the first pic.

The "pan off" post shows the connecting rods bolted to the shaft.

I can post a pic if the bearing removed soon, but it is Fri. night and the kids are in bed.

The bearings are stamped on the back 3215B040N This mean anything to anybody?
Thanks, Scott

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murn-ga

01-13-2006 17:55:35




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 Re: redone compression results in reply to vtscott, 01-13-2006 17:33:16  
Scott, I would think these numbers would be for .040 th.



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vtscott

01-13-2006 17:36:10




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 Re: redone compression results in reply to vtscott, 01-13-2006 17:33:16  
jeez, firefox doesn't have the spellcheck feature like Safari. Please excuse my spelling.



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old

01-13-2006 17:12:05




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 Re: redone compression results in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-13-2006 16:54:55  
Sorry no I don't. Rod bearing are a pair of half moon pieces of metal and when put in to a rod and then put on the crank shaft they then make a circle around the crank shaft and the sit solid to the rod and the crank shaft turns inside of them. When you have a spun rod bearing what happens is that it starts to spin in the rod and then they look like ruff sandpaper both on the crankshaft and the bearing and you know what snad paper would do to something that should like like crome. Hope that explains it.

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Tim...Ok

01-14-2006 04:58:07




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 SPUN in reply to old, 01-13-2006 17:12:05  
Dawn, Another variation of what Old is explained on "spun",in severly worn bearings,they can not only spin,but "stack",think of 2 spoons stuck in one another :) one bearing insert will actually slip in between the other bearing and the crankshaft,which "can" move the piston closer to the head..depending on how they align..you can imagine the results in an engine that doesn't have much piston to head (deck) clearance to begin with..it's ugly

Dawn,not implying in any way that this could be your problem,just more info for you to help you understand what can happen to engines..

BTW,looks like your oil leak is most likely governor gasket.. $2.50 from New Holland or like 35 cents from the place that sells parts for Just 8n's

Tim

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01-13-2006 15:47:30




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 Re: redone compression results in reply to FarmerDawn, 01-13-2006 15:27:12  
Well other then #2 cylinder they aren't all that bad for a cold engine that hasn't run much if any in the last year or so. Almost bet you will find when you pull the pan that #2 cyclinder will also be the one with the knock if thta where your knock is from



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