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ronjoh

01-16-2006 19:17:38




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Re my "new" 9n tractor.
1.To install a tuneup kit does the distributor need to be removed to install and set the new points and condenser? I have been told it doesn't have to be removed but from the very limited information I can find on the internet seems to indicate that all distributor work should be done with the distributor removed.
2. I have purchased a 12 volt conversion kit and the instructions indicate to use the existing resistor as a junction point. The junction point presently on my 9n is one side of the ammeter (the current resistor does not have a junction post). (I hope this question makes sense) Any suggestions? Should I replace the old resistor (it appears to be original equipment and does not look too healthy)? 3. I was also wondering if it would be a good idea to replace the ignition switch as it also appears to be original equipment. Is there a specific ignition switch that replaces it to avoid "arcing"? Does 12 volt require a design change over 6 volt?

I'm sure you can tell by the questions that I'm just at the beginning of the learning curve. Thanks and I really appreciate this website.

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ronjoh

01-16-2006 21:37:25




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 Re: 9N newbie questions in reply to ronjoh, 01-16-2006 19:17:38  
The 9n hasn't been running for two to three years. I bought it off a friend so I know it was in running condition. I have basically cleaned all the old fuel out of the system and cleaned up the electrical connections. The tractor turns over and gets 6 volts up to the coil. I can't get a spark from the plugs. With the tractor I received a tuneup kit which I thought would be a good idea to install (I've done points many years ago on cars in my youth but couldn't find too much information re 9ns on the internet). The manuals that I do have, don't have much detailed information on servicing the distributor.

I have read the pros and cons of converting to 12 volts. The wiring was in pretty bad shape and would have to replaced them anyway plus I live in a very cold area (Canada) and decided a 12 volt system would probably make starting the tractor a little easier. It also gets dark a little earlier in the winter up here and thought a 12 volt system could give me a little more light, etc. I intend on using the tractor for harvesting firewood from the bush.

Consequently, I was hoping (with a little help from the folks here) that the new wiring, upgrade to 12 volt system and a tune up kit would go a long way in getting my baby fired up. I know the carburator was overhauled not too many years ago.

I'm not afraid of any type of mechanical repair provided the instruction are good, but I must admit my electrical knowledge is rather weak. (I could wire a house though, but I don't think marr connectors should be used on automotive wiring) One of my question refered to using an ammeter terminal as a junction post. I also don't understand the ignition switch. It has a coil of wire surrounded by a ceramic piece separating the terminals.I would like to replace the switch.

I really appreciate the help and unfortunately I'm sure there will be more questions in the future.

Thanks
Ron

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Dell (WA)

01-17-2006 00:22:58




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 Re: 9N newbie questions in reply to ronjoh, 01-16-2006 21:37:25  
Ron..... ...you write..... .."I also don't understand the ignition switch. It has a coil of wire surrounded by a ceramic piece separating the terminals.I would like to replace the switch"..... .that coil of wire surrounded by a ceramic piece is your "infamous ballast resistor".

The "infamous ballast resistor" is MANDANTORY with the 6-volt squarecan 4-nipple frontmount distributor ignition system. It supplies volts from your 2-wire ignition ON switch terminal to your 1-terminal squarecan ignition coil. And keeps the coil from burning out.

Iff'n you can do housewiring, replacing the OEM 2-wire ignition switch should be piece-o'cake.

As was pointed out, itza 2-bolt 15-minute job to remove yer frontmount distributor and change the points (gap = 0.015") on yer kitchen table. The distributor is an OFF-SET drive scheme and can NOT be installed out of time. Just finger start yer 2-bolts and twirl yer rotor untill the distributor drops into the OFF-SET drive slot and then tighten the 2-bolts; re-snap the 4-nipple cap, flip the squarecan bail and yer ready to go. Simple, eh?

Oh yeah, on engines that set for a long time, its not uncommon for the points to gitt INVISABLE corrosion deposits and stops the sparkies from sparkeling. Sometimes you can "polish" the points by gripping a strip of brown paperbag or dollarbill between the points. This is better than fileing or scrapeing the points as it doesn't effect the points gap. (0.015")

Before you commit to converting to 12-volts, letts gitt yer current tractor started. You do know that you can use a 12-volt battery to "jump-start" yer 6-volt tractor, don't you? Just clamp onto the 6-volt starter STUD. Double check yer tranny SHIFTER is in NEUTRAL, ignition switch ON; under-tank fuel valve 2-turns open. Now finsh yer 12-volt jumpstart by clampin onto some eazy foot brackets. NO CHOKE. It should really whirr and start within 5-seconds. Iff'n not start, now quick-pull yer choke while cranking. WARNING: N's FLOOD eazy. Stop crankin' after 30-secs MAX and figger out what ya did wrong. Probably flooded it, change yer sparkies ennyways. Autolite AL-437's recommended, gapped 0.025. Lett starter motor guttz cool for 5-mins before attempting to re-start.

Recommend you consider the merits of your very own personal copy of the I&T FO-4 manual. Available from sponsors of this great N-Board; many agricultural emporiums. Amazon.com, BordersBooks, WalMartBooks. www.n-news.com also has great archive of implement manual. Would you believe Ford/New Holland dealer even sell it; isn't that amazing? Even my local (byte my tongue) John Deere Dealer parts counter is selling it. $22 (cheap) gittcha one and readitt..... ...respectfully, Dell

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FarmerDawn

01-16-2006 20:54:13




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 Re: 9N newbie questions in reply to ronjoh, 01-16-2006 19:17:38  
Hi! If you're thinking about things like converting to a 12-volt system or replacing an ignition switch, you might want to invest in the I&T FO-4 manual, which has complete diagrams for absolutely everything on the 2, 9, and 8Ns. Several different versions are sold, some abridged in pretty serious ways. The one sold off the "books" portion of this YT website is complete, and it's not very expensive (plus it arrives quickly!). I'm new to all this too, and I can't tell you how often I pour over those pages to understand everything from basics of maintenance to serious repairs. (I have to temper that by admitting I have yet to DO any serious repairs!) :-) Anyway, I don't know enough to advise you on anything else regarding your questions, but I think maybe that one manual would make a world of difference in terms of understanding how to do the things you want to do. Good luck with all of it! Isn't it just COOL to have an N!?!?! :-D --Dawn

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RoNofohio

01-16-2006 20:39:08




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 Re: 9N newbie questions in reply to ronjoh, 01-16-2006 19:17:38  
I guess the question is "does the tractor run"? If it does, then the next question is "why change anything"? A lot of us have "upgraded" our N's with a 12v. system, but in nearly every case, it was because the 6v system no longer worked and it was "markedly" cheaper to go with a $10 alternator versis a $150 generator and a $29 12v battery verses a $60 6v battery. But with all the mounting hardware that you will either have to buy or fashion, the savings will dwindle rapidly. With the front mount distributer, you have to remove it to work on it. It only has 2 bolts holding it on. If you look on the back of it, you will notice that the "slot" in the distributer is slightly off-set. So, it will only go back on one way. I don't know of any way you could install a tune-up kit with the distributer still on the tractor. You will have to swing the generator/alternator out of the way to get the distributer out anyway. You might want to give us some more information about what is happening with the N and then we can be a little more precise about helping you with it..JMHO...Ron

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K.LaRue-VA

01-16-2006 21:15:20




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 Re: 9N newbie questions in reply to RoNofohio, 01-16-2006 20:39:08  
One springy thing and the coil comes off. Two more springy things and the cap comes off. Two little bolts and the dist. falls into your hand. Take it to your bench, and get comfortable.

Here is a link to a site with several wiring diagrams. One of these should match up with your tractor.



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ronjoh

01-16-2006 21:46:02




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 Re: 9N newbie questions in reply to K.LaRue-VA, 01-16-2006 21:15:20  
Thanks for the reply and wiring diagram. Number 5 matches my sytem. My terminal block/resistor assembly does not have a juction terminal. Is it OK to use one side of the ammeter as a junction?

Thanks



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K.LaRue-VA

01-16-2006 22:42:12




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 Re: 9N newbie questions in reply to ronjoh, 01-16-2006 21:46:02  
It's ok to use one terminal of the Ammeter as your junction point as long as it's in the same place in the circuit electrically.

You mentioned that your original ballast resistor is bad. Make sure you replace it. you need the two resistors in series between the ignition and the coil or the 12-v ignition will burn it up.

Also, I've seen several posts suggesting that it's a good idea to replace the ammeter with a voltmeter to remove two of the possible places where faulty connections can leave you dead. A voltmeter hooks up with one small wire to any switched voltage source and a ground connection.

You can find a new ignition switch on this site or one of the other Ford Tractor Parts sites for about $6.

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