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9n newbie (part 2)

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ronjoh

01-18-2006 20:33:01




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To recap:
The 9n hasn't been running for two to three years. I bought it off a friend so I know it was in running condition. I have basically cleaned all the old fuel out of the system and cleaned up the electrical connections. The tractor turns over and gets 6 volts up to the coil. I can't get a spark from the plugs. With the tractor I received a tuneup kit which I thought would be a good idea to install.I have read the pros and cons of converting to 12 volts. The wiring was in pretty bad shape and would have to replaced them anyway plus I live in a very cold area (Canada) and decided a 12 volt system would probably make starting the tractor a little easier. It also gets dark a little earlier in the winter up here and thought a 12 volt system could give me a little more light, etc. I intend on using the tractor for harvesting firewood from the bush.

Consequently, I was hoping (with a little help from the folks here) that the new wiring, upgrade to 12 volt system and a tune up kit would go a long way in getting my baby fired up. I know the carburator was overhauled not too many years ago.

As Dell suggested " Before you commit to converting to 12-volts, letts gitt yer current tractor started. "

OK, I now have installed new points, condenser and plugs. Now I tried to get the tractor going.

It seemed liked it wanted to start but the starter motor kicked out as soon as there appeared to be ignition. (before new plugs and points the starter would continue to turn) Flooding does not seem to be an issue.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Ron

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ronjoh

01-19-2006 08:13:25




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 Re: 9n newbie (part 2) in reply to ronjoh, 01-18-2006 20:33:01  
Thanks guys. I would like to clarify a couple of points if you don't mind.

Dell - The starter only has the one connection (big stud). Presumably thats the one and also I presume I'm connecting the neg lead from the 12 volt to the starter and pos lead to a footpedal.

Old - Your right about the compression. It was very low but I was told to put some oil in the cylinders. I DID NOT do this because I was afraid of fouling the plugs. When you say fill the cylinder with tranny fluid, how much do you really mean in each cylinder? I will check the spark. All the old gas was cleaned out. Can the carb be cleaned with a carb cleaner spray (i hope) or do you mean it must be removed and cleaned?

I would to tell you that I appreciate all your help very much. Ron

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Dell (WA)

01-19-2006 09:50:27




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 Re: 9n newbie (part 2) in reply to ronjoh, 01-19-2006 08:13:25  
Ron..... ...amazingly enuff, starter motor don't care battery polarity, but iff'n it makes you feel warm and fuzzy, battery (-) to the starter motor STUD and battery (+) to the footpeg ground works.

YES, many times you need to "reseal" the piston rings with oil to increase your compression so the engine will start. Since cranking the engine doen't splash enuff oil up the piston skirt to reseal the rings, you need to squirt some oil (1-oz?) thru the sparkie holes. Crank yer engine some BEFORE you put yer sparkies back in, this spreads the oil and improves the seal and will blow enny excess oil back out the sparkie hole. Now put yer clean, dry sparkies back in, they'll be "un-fouled"..... ..respectfully, Dell

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Upper Peninsula, MI

01-19-2006 08:06:35




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 Re: 9n newbie (part 2) in reply to ronjoh, 01-18-2006 20:33:01  
Ron. Your almost there. Follow Dell's advice and it should start. You may want to give it a squirt of Starting Fluid, just a short squirt right into the mouth of the carb should do. Good Luck.Ron



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Dell (WA)

01-19-2006 01:07:42




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 Re: 9n newbie (part 2) in reply to ronjoh, 01-18-2006 20:33:01  
Ron..... ...now yer makin' progress. The starter kick-out is semi-indicative of a worn starter drive, but don't worry about it yet.

Nows the time to use yer spare 12v battery for a "jump-start". Don't connect to yer 6-volt battery. Understand? Connect eather 12v battery lead to the starter motor BIG stud. ok? Double-check that yer tranny is in NEUTRAL, dashboard throttle 1/3, undertank fuelvalve 2-turns, turn ignition key on. Now clamp yer other 12v battery lead to a footpedal. Starter motor should really "whizz". Now a quick pull on the dashboard choke knob will give yer engine a quick snort of gasoline and it should start. Disconnect yer footclamp. Simple, eh?

WARNING: over-choking will flood yer engine and leave invisable deposits on yer sparkies and won't start. Only cure is new dry sparkies. Autolite AL-437 (check gap = 0.025) are recommended. No, you don't throw away flooded sparkies, you change them 1-atta-time into yer warmed-up engine and lett the engine clean & dry them out for the next time you flood (and there will be a next time)..... ....Dell

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K.LaRue-VA

01-18-2006 21:42:57




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 Re: 9n newbie (part 2) in reply to ronjoh, 01-18-2006 20:33:01  
My starter also seems to kick out on the first sputter fairly often. But I just wait for the starter to stop spinning and it starts right up on the second try.



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old

01-18-2006 20:46:50




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 Re: 9n newbie (part 2) in reply to ronjoh, 01-18-2006 20:33:01  
Well since you said it sat for a few years with out running, have you prelubed the upper part of the engine?? If you haven't you could have sticking rings, and or sticky valves either or both will cause you problems and low compression. I'd fill the cylinders with tranny fluid and let it sit over night or even a day or 2. Also have you checked to make sure you have a nice brite blue spark at the plugs?? If not then you also have spark problems. You also said the carb had been rebuilt but when, was it right before it was parked?? If so you probably need to clean it up also since it has sat and got rusty or varhished up or both.

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