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Joe (IN)

02-01-2006 16:50:57

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Just wanted to chuck my 2 cents worth in and figured it would be easiest to start a new thread. Regarding your current dilemma about how much to tackle right now - very little. For a newbie, getting into the kind of major disassembly you are contemplating is a colossal undertaking. But you knew that. If you choose to rebuild your engine, change the clutch, and whatever else right now, I guarantee that the project will snowball and you'll end up with so many individual tasks to finish that getting it put back together may not happen for a LONG time. I tore my 8N down 2 1/2 years ago for a clutch, a few gaskets, and some hydraulic work. It was only supposed to take a month of weekends. Rebuilding the engine and tranny got added to the list along the way and there it still sits. And I'm a seasoned mechanic. It happens. Life gets in the way. Your enthusiasm and willingness to learn are outstanding, but let's be honest. At this pace, you may well not get the use of it at all this year. BUT HERE'S THE KICKER: You are planning to overhaul an engine that you know nothing about because there was low compression and a knock. A knock that may very well have been loader pump drive related. And low compression on an engine that has sat for so long is not uncommon or a red flag. It may run just fine for another ten years with a little attention and good, thorough service and tune up. If it were me, I'd fix the clutch, button her up, and run/use it long enough to make an educated diagnosis of what you really have and need. Whatever you decide, have fun with it and don't give up. Just keep in mind that opening up Pandora's box can get a little discouraging. Good luck!

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Freewheelin'

02-01-2006 18:54:23

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Re: Hey Dawn! in reply to Joe (IN), 02-01-2006 16:50:57

My advise is to take inventory of what you think has to be done and get an estimate of cost. Then set priorities based on your available time and money. If Arthur's to be a work tractor then paint your parts with a rattle can and put your money and time in the drive train. If you rebuild the engine, do it right. You won't regret it. If the tranny, clutch, brakes, hydraulics, starter, etc. etc need work but can be put off for a while that's not a bad option. Don't forget that most of these machines spent a good part of their lives held together with baling wire. Sure you may have to split the tractor again but thats OK. You'll have the pleasure of using your machine and the confidence to tackle the next job. The main thing is to only fix things once. Read, ask for advise, and use quality parts. As for becoming a pest, it ain't gunna happen, Hoss. That's because all of us are learning no matter how much experience we have and we're just giving something back. That's half the fun. A year from now when some rookie asks you for help you'll gladly tell him more than he ever wanted to know. :) Good luck! Have fun!

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FarmerDawn

02-01-2006 18:59:46

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Re: Hey Dawn! in reply to Freewheelin', 02-01-2006 18:54:23

Thank you!!!! :-)

You know, I'm all ready for someone to ask how you get off a stuck bolt and I watch for the question!! I'm primed for that one!! LOL

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FarmerDawn

02-01-2006 17:08:40

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Re: Hey Dawn! in reply to Joe (IN), 02-01-2006 16:50:57

Thanks, Joe! You've certainly hit the nail on the head, in terms of my misgivings. I have already made the decision (or had the realization) that IF I do a complete rebuild, I'd better figure on it sitting out there in various stages of incompletion for about 2 years. I know how much I have to learn. Last night I reviewed Spencer Yosts' rebuilding engines book -- which does not even deal with rear wheels or transmissions or things like that -- and I just about couldn't get to sleep for thinking, "WHAT am I DOING!?" LOL The point is, your comments are timely and right on the money. Thank you VERY much!

At this point, I think the issue is starting to shift a little -- maybe from working on the tractor for the purpose of having a good, functional tractor RIGHT NOW to working on the tractor because it does things for my health that nothing else seems to do. You know, sometimes I have to deal with federal scientific agencies and go to Washington and crap like that, and . . . it takes me two months after I get home to stop spitting nails out of my mouth. I get so mad and frustrated! (You know the government: "we'll call you in and work you to death for your input and then do exactly what we intended to do all along." Argh!) And over the last few years, it's really taken a toll. So anyway, what I'm thinking about tonight is how Arthur might figure into keeping ME running (so to speak). I don't know yet.

And of course I have not mentioned another real problem: how on earth can I finish when you guys on this forum finally get tired of my ridiculous questions and mistakes, and throw me out! LOL But seriously, I cannot possibly do this without all of you. And I know it. And I do worry about "wearing out my welcome." I mean, how long can you guys read about me turning bolts the wrong way and taking off the wrong end of the radius arms before you go nuts?

Sometimes I wonder if the solution is simply "engine and transmission now" and then the rest other winters. Or other years. But there is this itch to paint up the front axle while I have it off . . . and the front wheels are soooo rusty. . . !

Balance. I am apparently searching for balance. Yikes!

:-)

Dawn

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jimNCal

02-01-2006 18:27:01

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Re: Hey Dawn! in reply to FarmerDawn, 02-01-2006 17:08:40

Dawn,

"The only thing to fear, is fear itself." What you are attempting has been successfully done for the FIRST time by MANY even LESS capable than yourself. ANYthing you try for the first time is certainly going to be accompanied by doubts and some unanticipated "costs" in lost time and effort due to inexperience. You are obviously a well grounded person and you WILL do this as well as ANY other goal you have set for yourself. Losing sleep over doubting yourself is rather self defeating and quite UN-necessary, don't you think? Just think back and review ALL of the hurdles you've already made it over and pull some of that satisfaction up to the present. Surely you can familiarize yourself with the 'alien' world of 50 year old tractor technology!! Besides, you have the BEST resource imaginable RIGHT HERE on this board AND, we ALL expect you to prevail. jim

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FarmerDawn

02-01-2006 18:35:15

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Re: Hey Dawn! in reply to jimNCal, 02-01-2006 18:27:01

I think if you were here I would have to hug you. Sigh. Thank you.

Dawn

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No Doubt

02-01-2006 17:48:50

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It ain't gonna happen in reply to FarmerDawn, 02-01-2006 17:08:40

Dawn, I will bet my bottom dollar that you will not complete the task of rebuilding your tractor. My guess is that it will end up being sold for parts on ebay. I have followed your progress (or lack of) for some time now and I come to the conclusion that it ain't gonna happen. I'm sure alot of people will give you words of encouragement such as "Hang in there", 'Keep trying" and "don't give up" but you are doomed to fail. It was a brave try.

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ok bill

02-01-2006 19:07:59

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to farmer dawn in reply to No Doubt, 02-01-2006 17:48:50

dawn you hang in there just because some want to jump off a bridge dosn't mean you do just my two cents. be safe. bill

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FarmerDawn

02-02-2006 07:59:44

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Re: to farmer dawn in reply to ok bill, 02-01-2006 19:07:59

Thanks, Bill!

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Willy-N

02-01-2006 18:13:29

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Re: It ain't gonna happen in reply to No Doubt, 02-01-2006 17:48:50

Well No Doubt that is not much of a encouragement? There are guys on here that have been restoring the same tractor for years now and probley will be years more befor it is done. I never had the time to do it that way so I try to get them done in a couple months. Built the Tender in 7 weeks but that is the way I do it, some take there time and just enjoy working on it never realy caring if it gets done it gives them something to do. Let her learn she might just suprise you and have the engine rebuilt by someone else. If I was her that is what I would do. But cleaning and painting up the rest heck that is only elbow grease type work. If your not afraid of getting dirty it can be done. Mark H.

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FarmerDawn

02-01-2006 18:21:01

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Re: It ain't gonna happen in reply to Willy-N, 02-01-2006 18:13:29

Thanks, Mark. :-) Well, I can at least state that: I am not afraid of getting dirty!! LOL

Thank you.

Dawn

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FarmerDawn

02-01-2006 17:51:50

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Re: It ain't gonna happen in reply to No Doubt, 02-01-2006 17:48:50

Well, you might be right. :-) Or you might be trying to use a little "reverse psychology," I don't know. I guess only time will tell!

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Jubal Lee

02-02-2006 09:49:09

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Re: It ain't gonna happen in reply to FarmerDawn, 02-01-2006 17:51:50

Dawn, I have been following yours and Alberts adventure for months here and I've got confidence in you, girl!!! I learned a lesson a long time ago from an old rabbit dog. If you keep after it long enough it will turn out alright!! You go, girl!!! Failure is not an option!!

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FarmerDawn

02-02-2006 10:04:55

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Re: It ain't gonna happen in reply to Jubal Lee, 02-02-2006 09:49:09

Thanks, Jubal Lee! I know the one thing I do have is persistence. Lord knows, I've been told I'm bull-dog tenaceous by more than one soul. So don't worry! I plan to keep at it! --Dawn

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DMAN

02-02-2006 11:32:18

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Re: It ain't gonna happen in reply to FarmerDawn, 02-02-2006 10:04:55

I like a quote I read, I believe it was in this forum.

Most of the important things in the world have been accomplished by people who kept on trying when there seemed to be no hope at all.
-Dale Carnegie

The reason I can remember it is because I printed it out and attached to my office door, and Iam looking at it right now.

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FarmerDawn

02-02-2006 19:44:42

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Re: It ain't gonna happen in reply to DMAN, 02-02-2006 11:32:18

Hey, I think that's going up on MY shop wall, next!!! Thanks for sharing it!! --Dawn

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DavidO

02-02-2006 04:09:48

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Re: It ain't gonna happen in reply to FarmerDawn, 02-01-2006 17:51:50

Dawn, Don't worry about NO DOUBT's challange. You are gonna "GET ER DONE", even if we have to lay down our wrenches and come there and help you. You already knew that it was going to take some time and effort. NOW you know that it is gonna happen. Be safe, Be happy, and keep on chuggin. You could'nt fail now if you tried.

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FarmerDawn

02-02-2006 07:54:26

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Re: It ain't gonna happen in reply to DavidO, 02-02-2006 04:09:48

Thank you, David. Thank you. :-)

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hvw

02-01-2006 18:16:13

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Re: It ain't gonna happen in reply to FarmerDawn, 02-01-2006 17:51:50

Remember, rebuilding an 8N engine ain't rocket science. Those things were designed to be repaired in the field. If the engine can be put back together to the point it can be cranked why don't don't you do that and see if the knock was indeed the loader pump. If it was, just buy a head gasket and go. You have nothing to lose at this point. In my limited experience with engines I've found the machine work to be the most daunting thing financially and you'll certainly run into that problem if you decide to rebuild. I'd try to crank it first.

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billOH

02-01-2006 18:12:20

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Re: It ain't gonna happen in reply to FarmerDawn, 02-01-2006 17:51:50

"Do or do not. There is no try."

--Yoda, Jedi Master

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FarmerDawn

02-01-2006 18:15:52

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Re: It ain't gonna happen in reply to billOH, 02-01-2006 18:12:20

Oh. Good point.

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billOH

02-01-2006 18:08:06

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Re: It ain't gonna happen in reply to FarmerDawn, 02-01-2006 17:51:50

"Do or do not; there is not try."

--Yoda, Jedi Master

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dave guest

02-02-2006 15:36:40

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Re: It ain't gonna happen in reply to billOH, 02-01-2006 18:08:06

Dawn, you got a good brain. Know how to ask questions, and have two hands. Same as anybody workin on tractors. Don't quit unless you have to but keep an extra pair of hands and eyes out there in the barn. Safety first not EMS.DG

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FarmerDawn

02-02-2006 17:50:43

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Re: It ain't gonna happen in reply to dave guest, 02-02-2006 15:36:40

Thanks, Dave. I am trying to be vigilant in regards to safety, because you are so right! The best help I have in that regard so far has been you all, spotting a situation developing that isn't safe and letting me know. It sure keeps me aware of how little I know, and how much I need to pay close attention! --Dawn

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