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Nova

04-30-2001 04:48:07




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OK guys, My next question.....My 1950 8N is still 6V system, Will it be worth the $200 & seems alot of trouble (from some of the other questions on here)for the 12V upgrade?, Also, Will these kits come with everything I need? (except battery)

Thanks for your help again all!!!

Nova




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Jim WI

05-01-2001 11:03:28




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 Re: 12V Conversion in reply to Nova, 04-30-2001 04:48:07  
What are you trying to fix?

Unless your charging system is bad it's probably better to fix the root cause of the problem.

Or have you some other reason for wanting 12v available?

I wouldn't do it unless there was a good reason (BTW, my 2N is a 12v conversion).



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Bill

04-30-2001 11:56:05




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 Re: 12V Conversion in reply to Nova, 04-30-2001 04:48:07  
There are six volt favorists and 12 volt advocates. I personally believe that if 12 volt systems were all that bad I would not see them on 90% of 9,2,8ns and Naa's everywhere I go. That being said, it has to be done right. I have had good success on my 8n with 12 volt Genesee electronic ignition, coil and supplied wiring. Save yourself some money by getting a GM 10 SI alternator (circa 1980's) from your local junkyard ($10.00 most places.) Get a mounting bracket from Just 8n's. Put your old generator pulley, if it will fit, on the alternator. Also get a voltmeter for the dash. At 400 rpm (idle) my 8n is showing 12 l/2 volts charging; at 500 rpm I'm showing 14 volts. My battery has yet to run down. Wire according to instructions from Genesee. If you wire it right, I think you will be well pleased.When finished you might be amazed at how simple the wiring is. You also should put on new plug wires and new plugs in, again available from Just 8n's or the source of your choice. Mine cranks on a dime everytime, never skips, misfires or chokes down. Maintenance is zero. It all depends on how much you want to spend as opposed to how much "fooling with the tractor" time you have. If six volts were all that great we would've never gone to 12.IMHO

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bj/8N/mt

04-30-2001 13:49:29




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 Re: Re: 12V Conversion in reply to Bill, 04-30-2001 11:56:05  
"Every body else is doin' it" is about the thinnest agument around. If it worked the streets would be full of middle schoolers after midnight.

If you have some electrical load not original to the tractor converting is worth a look. If you are after maybe a little increase in starter speed and torque and are willing to put up with a twenty percent or better chance of inducing other troubles go for it.

Meet me in town on Saturday and we will shop for you some designer jeans. I hear everybody is wearing them. Probably just keep my Carhatts though. Been working for me for a long time.

Your mileage may vary

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Claus

04-30-2001 13:34:21




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 Re: Re: 12V Conversion in reply to Bill, 04-30-2001 11:56:05  
I usually do not like to get involved in these contests. Howsomeever, you make statements that just are not correct. I have never on this board ever heard anyone say that 12 is bad or that 6 volts is better. Show me one post. If you read the posts correctly, they will say that 8N tractors do not need 12 volts because of their low energy requirements. 12 volt came out in the 50s due to higher electrical demands. Some new automobile designs are moving towards 36 and 48 volts. Does that mean that now some will change their tractors to 36 volts? Or that it is better than 12? The electrical demands did not, over the years increase and works well the way it was designed. However, maintenance is required to keep connections clean and tight. But then so does any system.
Setting the Record Straight.
Happy Motoring
Claus

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Claus

04-30-2001 13:57:18




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 Re: Re: Re: 12V Conversion in reply to Claus, 04-30-2001 13:34:21  
Don't get me wrong. 12 volts for the right reason as Dell says, makes sense. He has never found the right reason yet..Most convert to cover up some deficiency. I converted a 1958 Chris Craft from 6 volts to 12 volts because the electrical demands increased. When going in a no wake zone, the engine almost idled and would discharge the battery when all the electrical stuff was on... There is no such need on the tractor. An other considereation today is that going to a higher voltage will reduce the weight by using smaller diameter wire. Reducing weight is not one of my objectives with the N.. Most people like to increase the weight. Happy Motoring
Claus

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Dave Smith Believe Claus He knows what he talks of

04-30-2001 13:57:14




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 Re: Re: Re: 12V Conversion in reply to Claus, 04-30-2001 13:34:21  
In Mass producing Autos etc. 12 volt is also cheaper. Wire size etc.
Dave Smith <*)))><



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Bill

04-30-2001 12:27:45




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 Re: Re: 12V Conversion in reply to Bill, 04-30-2001 11:56:05  
If you 8n is front mount distributor, you can't get electronic ignition. FWIW



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Danny in CO

04-30-2001 07:29:21




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 Re: 12V Conversion in reply to Nova, 04-30-2001 04:48:07  
In my opinion when you convert to 12 volt system, you are trading one set of problems for another. If you look back through the archives, you will find more questions about 12 volt conversions than 6 volt hard starting.

Having said that, if there is a real reason for the conversion, such as wanting to use a 12 volt accessory, then go for it. Just don't convert because it is hard to start.

Again, this is just my opinion!
Danny

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bj/8N/mt

04-30-2001 05:21:59




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 Re: 12V Conversion in reply to Nova, 04-30-2001 04:48:07  
Neither of my six volt 8N's missed a start this winter in Montana.

Unless you have some electrical load that isn't original to the tractor, or unless your neighbor has one and you've got to keep up I would just pour some syrup in the gas tank if you want something to work on.

Your mileage may vary



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PAUL8N

04-30-2001 05:04:46




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 Re: 12V Conversion in reply to Nova, 04-30-2001 04:48:07  
I LIKE MY 6 VOLT AND WILL LEAVE IT THAT WAY. MAINTAINING YOU ELECTRICAL SYSTEM WILL MAKE HER START EVERYTIME. MANY MANY ARCHIVES ABOUT THIS SUBJECT, CHECK IT OUT, I'M QUITE SURE YOUR EYES WILL GET TIRED OF READING 6 VS. 12 VOLT. MY .01 WORTH, PAUL



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