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OT!! Alternative to Dial up?

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Ole Country Boy

03-01-2006 08:12:38




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I did say it was Off Topic!! Unlike Dell, I HAVE real modern Dell computers! In fact two of them running XP Pro. What we don't have is high speed internet. We are stuck with dial up and out here in the country with our paragain phone lines, the best speed we can get is 28,800 and on occasion worst.

I called and talked to all 3 of the companies that proclaim they offer wireless internet using a land based antenna in our area. To the man everyone of them said I was not in line of site of their antennas. I am way less than satisfied with that answer as they offered me no alternatives, nor did they tell me how high I would have to mount my receiver dish thing. That dish is about the size of a pie pan btw.

So I called the local phone company who offers T1 lines, way to cost prohibitive and they could not even tell me if a T1 line was available here where we live. They quoted apx. $1000 a month for service, IF it was possible here. Here again, old out of date phone lines.

Really tickles me off about the phone lines cause Ma Bell laid in fiber optic lines not 75 yards from the house just to service the school,, which has I think 200 grade school kids. An engineer told me that there is no plan to offer fiber optics to residents nor to upgrade the phone lines in this area.

So, after much digging and looking and thinking I am down to satellite internet. I would not be able to play the couple of games I do on-line but that is no biggie. The speeds are acceptable as shown on the page for Direcway Link

So, the question is, does any one have this service or your buddy got this service from Direcway? How is the service? The support and what is your cost? Anyone know of discounts they may offer other than what they show on the page? O do you have other ideas? I will open my email address for private replys on this topic.

Looking for alternatives for internet service and do appreciate your help or advice or experiences in this area.

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John in Bama

03-03-2006 06:05:36




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 Re: OT!! Alternative to Dial up? in reply to Ole Country Boy, 03-01-2006 08:12:38  
There is another way to go that no one seems to have mentioned yet. If you have a wireless phone company, check with them on data plans. We have Cingular which seems to be everywhere now. They offer a plan - I think it"s about $49.99 a month for unlimited data and the speeds are up to 900kbps. Of course, up to... Still, all you need is your computer and a new wireless card for that service ($29.99-$49.99), and the plan, and you are set to go. I have tried that Cingular, and it"s not too bad.

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Bob Harvey

03-01-2006 17:47:54




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 Re: OT!! Alternative to Dial up? in reply to Ole Country Boy, 03-01-2006 08:12:38  
You have a legitimate "grump". I have been promised ADSL for 2 years, every time I enquire to the phone co., I get the same c**p--not available at this time. I have a system that helps keep my blood pressure from taking the top of my head (and it's few remaining hairs) from exploding. - Wake up. fire up computer (cedar kindling- small fir chunks), put kettle on to boil and fill coffee filter with the $4.99 a ton blend, go back to computer, add 1 piece of wood,close draft-- then instigate "dial-up". Go back to kitchen, make toast and coffee (hey, high on the hog here) and PRESTO !!! I'm on-line

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Ed S. (IL)

03-01-2006 16:40:23




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 Re: OT!! Alternative to Dial up? in reply to Ole Country Boy, 03-01-2006 08:12:38  
We had Direcway satellite internet through Earthlink for about a year after moving to the midwest, and it worked okay. It was the newer dual band type that does not require a dedicated phone line. Speeds were not really what I expected (we had DSL when we lived in Atlanta previously), and the latency was annoying. However, downloading large files worked well, once the download started.

We finally cancelled it due to the high cost, and went back to dialup.

Late last year, two companies put up WiFi towers near us, and we switched over to that service. They told us we were too far away, but agreed to do a signal strength test on site, and thankfully, we got a good signal from the rooftop. Speeds are much better than satellite, too.

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OliverDouglas

03-01-2006 15:15:02




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 Re: OT!! Alternative to Dial up? in reply to Ole Country Boy, 03-01-2006 08:12:38  
What about cable TV ? Many cable TV operators are also IPSs offering high-speed internet.



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Dan

03-01-2006 12:07:33




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 Re: OT!! Alternative to Dial up? in reply to Ole Country Boy, 03-01-2006 08:12:38  
I am in Telecommunications, and my dad lives out in the booneys as well. Satelite is a good workable solution if you want faster downloads, but now I am hearing of the local electric companies getting in on the high speed Internet boom. They have thick lines, they are in almost every home, and data transmission has been sent over electric lines for years. Not sure if it is offered with your electric company, but it is worth a look-see.

That is about the only nice thing to living in the city, I have a 6 mbps download connection with 768 mbps upload speeds. I have no problems playing Quake 4 on the Internet, while my kid plays Ever Quest and the new Dungeons and Dragons online games.

Good luck in your search.

Dan

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Earl(MS)

03-01-2006 10:57:12




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 Re: OT!! Alternative to Dial up? in reply to Ole Country Boy, 03-01-2006 08:12:38  
I have been using a STARBAND satellite for Internet connectivity for 1 year (different company - - same technology). The only reason I got it was because, like you, I live out in the country and had no other option available.

My advise:

1. Don't do it unless you have no other option. As soon as cable becomes available, junk the satellite and consider it a sunk cost.
2. Rain storms will knock out your connection until they pass. Happens to me all the time in MS.
3. Download speed is fair - not good. Yahoo finance pages, for example, still take 4-10 seconds to load. Sometimes the frames get lost in space and the page never loads. Just have to close your browser and try again later.
4. You, as an individual consumer, have LOW priority for satellite bandwidth. If one of the commercial customers using the satellite needs it all - - they get it until they are done.
5. Heaven help you if your dish gets knocked out of alinement. 6 months after mine was installed, I got a nasty letter from Starband telling me my dish was interfering with a neighboring satellite and if I didn't have it "professionally" repointed, they were going to shut me down. I never touched the dish and still do not know how the alinement got off. The installer had certified the alinement with Starband as part of the installation, so it was right at the beginning. Anyway, cost me another $100 to get him back to do it again.
Morale of the story - - - be SURE to get written certification from your installer that the dish alinement is well within the specification range of the satellite company. Make him write down on paper what the alinement settings are and what the satellite company's tolerances are. Make sure your dish alinement is not "just right on the edge" up or down of the specifications cause if it moves just a little, you get to do the alinement again at your cost. Make sure he bolts the dish down tight during installation. Make sure your mast is set in concrete.
6. Occasionally, Starband will switch your service to another satellite and not tell you. Things just stop working. You don't have to repoint since the new satellite is at the same azimuth, but you have to call tech support to get the satellite address and they will walk you thru a reconfig of your software.

Bottom line, if cable were available when I get home this afternoon, I would subscribe before the sun goes down and just eat the $800 dish plus installation cost.

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FarmerDawn

03-01-2006 10:38:07




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 Re: OT!! Alternative to Dial up? in reply to Ole Country Boy, 03-01-2006 08:12:38  
We have satellite from Direcway, through a company called Agristar that services rural businesses (such as farms and ranches). We have been VERY happy with this service. It's pricy to set up (because of putting in the system) but after that it's about the same cost as a good DSL package. We can have 4 to 5 different computers online simultaneously, and independent of each other, get email, etc. If you want more info, let me know offline and I can answer questions.

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Bob Harvey

03-01-2006 17:54:32




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 Re: OT!! Alternative to Dial up? in reply to FarmerDawn, 03-01-2006 10:38:07  
Satellite?, are those them things whut spy on us every day?---And you joined up ?? Boy, howdy. HPH



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Bob Harvey

03-01-2006 17:51:53




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 Re: OT!! Alternative to Dial up? in reply to FarmerDawn, 03-01-2006 10:38:07  
Satellite?, are those them things whut spy on us every day?---And you joined up ?? Boy, howdy. HPH



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DadNToms8N

03-01-2006 10:06:21




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 Re: OT!! Alternative to Dial up? in reply to Ole Country Boy, 03-01-2006 08:12:38  
After much deliberation and talking with several Direcway owners, both local to me and on another N board, I bought a system about 60 days ago. Sounds like you could be right up the street from me, fiber optic in the ground outside my front door but no plans to allow citizens to access it, no line of sight, etc. I am mostly satisfied with what I've gotten so far, but had lower expectations than what they advertise with regards to speed. Downloads are definitely faster, regular browsing (how fast a page loads)can be better or worse than dialup depending on internet traffic (I guess), and uploads are about the same. I primarily got it so I could have more than on computer online at once (teenagers!). What you need to watch out for is what I got sc#$%ed on, the installation. "Typical installation" is supposedly free but applies to virtually no one, IMHO. By the time they put a pole in the ground, trenched the cable, entered the house and fished over a drop ceiling to the computer room, I was out over $400! My wife was home at the time, she said "I knew you wanted it so I told them to go ahead". I would have sent them packing at that point.

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Gaspump

03-01-2006 08:51:01




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 Re: OT!! Alternative to Dial up? in reply to Ole Country Boy, 03-01-2006 08:12:38  
Don't know your area but here in FL a lot of ISP's are going wireless. Locally we have ClearWire. A friend from S FL that is an ISP told me recently that he too is in process of converting all customers to wireless. I have used ClearWire at a friends but I use cable as it was fastest but the newer wireless systems have stepped up the speed to way faster than cable.



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Blue3992

03-01-2006 08:49:41




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 Re: OT!! Alternative to Dial up? in reply to Ole Country Boy, 03-01-2006 08:12:38  
Here's a rather scathing review of Direcway I just saw the other day. Take it for what it's worth.

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If you've seen the TV ads for DirecWay satellite broadband service, and are tempted to check it out, DON"T BOTHER. I did, and have to report its a total losing proposition.

1) The ads pound home incessantly the message, "Super-Fast" and "Faster connection, faster downloads, faster surf-speeds, faster EVERYTHING". This is a complete mis-truth!! EVERYTHING IS SLOWER !! I am not kidding when I tell you that DirecWay service is slower than my former $9.95/month dial-up service. And at least 50% of the time you trip a "DNS / server error" even on sites you know you have the cookies for. In the first two weeks after initial installation I experienced four days of no-service conditions ( that's 29% down-time !!), and even now I have a failure-to-connect situation a minimum of 30% of the time when surfing.

2) Billing practices are far different that what is represented by the DirecWay website, and their telephone sales force. The "$99.95 only" quoted at the time of sale ("to pay the local installer") became more than $200.00 when they called my credit card company. And the "First 30 days of service is free!" is a mail-in rebate nightmare that has me still waiting for rebate forms 30 days after my call, even though I was promised they would be delivered within "Seven to ten days, MAX".

If you're at all like me you love new technology because it always seems to offer new features that its nice to not have to live without. But it looks like DirecWay is either making promises that its technology can't deliver, or that its a huge scam. Either way, I have a "Zero Tolerance" policy as regards being lied to by corporate America, and I intend to persue this issue until at the very least I have all of my money back. DirecWay represents the kind of worst-case corporate greed scenario that is par-for-the-course with companies like Enron, and Gateway Computers.

Note - DON'T CONFUSE "DIRECWAY" WITH "DIRECTV" !!! DirecTV is a satellite dish delivered television service (which I have had for seven years) and its service is superlative, I.e., absolutely top-notch!! It is so far ahead of cable television its unbelievable. DirecWay, provides (actually just "sells") a satellite-based broadband service that is as bad as DirecTV is good. They share owners but are not the same corporate entity.

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Todd E. Manley

03-01-2006 08:43:31




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 Re: OT!! Alternative to Dial up? in reply to Ole Country Boy, 03-01-2006 08:12:38  
Im in the same boat !! not 1/2 mile away..they got it all...water just came through too!!

Anyways...Sat has come a long way. we a two way sat connection at our place. Its no broadband but its as close as I'll ever get.. its sat download AND sat upload. Upload takes longer due to latency but the download is comperable to broadband and makes the internet bearable !!!!! !

Its can be a little pricy to start up..Im on direcway and it was I think 400 for the setup and all that and its 60 a month...3yr commitment initially so...and the routers now can be hook to access points and wireless routers..whatever you wanna do with it once it comes it. Its really the ONLY alternative in country living where the cable, phone people say NO Way are putting that infrasture across cow pastures !!!
Its an always on connection too...

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TheOldHokie

03-01-2006 08:34:31




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 Re: OT!! Alternative to Dial up? in reply to Ole Country Boy, 03-01-2006 08:12:38  
I'm not up to date on the current satellite offerings but generally they require a land line for data transmission from your PC and only use the satellite to download to your PC. So you send using dialup and receive using the satellite. Not very nice - at least in the past.

No CATV service out there either? Even if they employ a telephone/analog CATV hybrid setup it's better than satellite.

TOH

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Ole Country Boy

03-02-2006 11:31:09




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 Re: OT!! Alternative to Dial up? Solution !! in reply to TheOldHokie, 03-01-2006 08:34:31  
Ok guys and gals, thanks for thoughts and comments on this non tractor issue.

I pasted various comments and my replies concerring each one below.

OliverDouglas
What about cable TV ? Many cable TV operators are also IPSs offering high-speed internet.

Has not been available here for about 15 years. There was a company at one time that did it, but hey went broke, sold out and left the durn ugly cables strung everywhere on the power lines. The one that crosses my back yard is sagging so bad I ask the power company guys one day to take it and the guy wire down. Said they coulnt’ touch it since it wasn’t their line..

Dan, you said,

I am in Telecommunications, and my dad lives out in the booneys as well. Satellite is a good workable solution if you want faster downloads, but now I am hearing of the local electric companies getting in on the high speed Internet boom. They have thick lines, they are in almost every home, and data transmission has been sent over electric lines for years. Not sure if it is offered with your electric company, but it is worth a look-see

Yep read about that and did some research, called my power company and they have no immediate plans to even test it. Jerks!

FarmerDawn
We have satellite from Direcway, through a company called Agristar that services rural businesses (such as farms and ranches). We have been VERY happy with this service. It's pricy to set up.

Yep,,, read and printed out their pages and info.


Todd E. Manley

Im in the same boat !! not 1/2 mile away..they got it all...water just came through too!!
Anyways...Sat has come a long way. we a two way sat connection at our place. Its no broadband but its as close as I'll ever get.. its sat download AND sat upload. Upload takes longer due to latency but the download is comperable to broadband and makes the internet bearable !!!!! !

Yep, so the votes and the comments are in and the winner is?

Drum Roll please!!!!

Sateitte Internet from Agristar!! Taxes are in and when the rebate comes back in a couple of weeks, that is where it goes!

Thank you all for your comments and your thoughts and suggestions..

I really do appreciate the help and advice.

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