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log splitters for a 8 n ford tractor

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STIX DOUGLAS

03-04-2006 09:43:57




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I am in need of assistance on all the things that are required to get a "stage 1" 3 point hitch log splitter to work on my 8 N Ford tractor. Fittings, sizes and mountings. Is there a company that makes a PTO driven log splitters> Or do I need info on a hydrolic pump that connects to the PTO that would also connect to log splitters that are now available in for instance Northern Tool? Am I being unrealistitc for what I need? Any response would be helpful. THANKS

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MG-OR

03-05-2006 07:16:15




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 Re: log splitters for a 8 n ford tractor in reply to STIX DOUGLAS, 03-04-2006 09:43:57  
Built my own 3 point splitter and teed into hydraulics for wagner loader on my 8n. Added a filter and also a shut off valve for loader controler. The shut off valve stops flow through open center loader valve and allows all flow to splitter valve. Works great and easy to connect with quick disconnects on hose and tee fittings. Have about $450 in supplies to build splitter. Wagner loader pump has more than enough flow for splitter with 4x24 cylinder.

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lonestarjeff

03-04-2006 17:24:31




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 Re: log splitters for a 8 n ford tractor in reply to STIX DOUGLAS, 03-04-2006 09:43:57  
I've been looking at the same idea for the last year, so here's my 2 cents.

I might split 1-2 chords a year, so speed & fuel cost is not an issue for me. I am into the original idea the designers of these tractors had, to make them the power source for tools whenever possible. This idea tended to keep tools simple & inexpensive(I like that too).

Having said that, I don't think the designers ever saw a hydraulic log splitter in the N's implement line-up. It's just another example of how far ahead of its time the N was.

Using the tractor's internal pump & a 4" cylinder w/ a 20" stroke on the splitter you will get about 9 tons of ram & almost a full minute cycle time. If you add a pto pump you'll likely double the pressure & half the cycle time.

Personally, I can live w/ the slow cycle & I'll spend the savings on more old implements.

How much wood will you be splitting?

Jeff

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STIX DOUGLAS

03-04-2006 19:36:00




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 Re: log splitters for a 8 n ford tractor in reply to lonestarjeff, 03-04-2006 17:24:31  
I appreicate your comments. What I am finding out is I need more information on PTO pumps and those with the experence of having a " 8N FORD TRACTOR" and being in this same situation. Home made units might be the thing but I have little talent in engineering or welding for that matter. I expect to be spliting about 2 to 3 cords a year on adverage. I've done alot by hand and don't want to be doing it anylonger than necessary. I'll just have to do more research and would like to hear more from those that "know" what I am talking about. I'm not interested in alternitives (electric or small gas engine splitters) I am head strong on LOG SPLITTING WITH A 8N FORD TRACTOR. Thank you

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maplehillfrm,pat

03-04-2006 16:05:25




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 Re: log splitters for a 8 n ford tractor in reply to STIX DOUGLAS, 03-04-2006 09:43:57  
well I used to use the neighbors splitter for years,, he had it for years prior to that, was a homemade trailer mounted splitter, was pulled behind the tractor , when you get to the pile hook up your pto shaft to a hydraulic pump he got off of an old loader that the county was done with, plumbedit in with 1/2" hydro line and a reservoir,,hooked to a hydro lever .. and a way we went, the cylinder was a purchase from farm store ,, and the wedge was the formed from a piece of fat steel,maybe 1",, but I think they sell wedges,, and the whole thing was mounted on an I beam, these are easily obtained at auctions fairly cheap, axles were just attached to that and away you go,worked off of any tractor with a pto,, which was good until everyone started borrowing it, and you had to make an appointgment to use it..
I can probably get a picture if you want to see waht it looks like, I ended up getting a vertical splitter , converted it to a horizonal with the help of an old sprayer frame , but I have a TN55, that has way enuff hydro pump power to run with lines hooked directly to it, no one can borrow mine though because the tractor has to go with it, and very few people will borrow the tractor and all, just a thought,pat

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Carl S in NH

03-04-2006 16:02:55




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 Re: log splitters for a 8 n ford tractor in reply to STIX DOUGLAS, 03-04-2006 09:43:57  
You didn't say how many cords you need to split or what length your wood would be, but if you don't have too many cords to split, and your log length isn't over 20", you might consider an electric splitter.
After I pulled out some rib muscles splitting 2 years ago, I decided the time had come to stop splitting my 3 cords a year by hand. I decided to go the electric route to save money. It was 1/3 to 1/4 the cost of a typical 20 ton gas splitter. Mine is by a company called Fisch. It's only got 4 tons of hydraulic force, but it takes a 20" long log, up to 12" in diameter. It weighs just over a 100 lbs, and can actually be used inside.
The biggest drawback is that you can't use more than a 75' extension cord, and that one should be either 12 or 10 gauge wire.
But I love it, and there are very few pieces it won't split. Once in a while I'll hit a piece with a Y in it that will stop it, but I've been very happy with it.
Carl

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Tom NJ

03-04-2006 15:19:46




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 Re: log splitters for a 8 n ford tractor in reply to STIX DOUGLAS, 03-04-2006 09:43:57  
I have a 3pt log splitter from TSC that runs off tractor hyd,works good with JD 60. I believe the GPM is about 10 - 12. A 801 will not run it, too slow about 4GPM. I don't split alot of wood so fuel cost is not an issue.



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hvw

03-04-2006 13:56:03




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 Re: log splitters for a 8 n ford tractor in reply to STIX DOUGLAS, 03-04-2006 09:43:57  
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I agree with everyone who said you'd be better off with a independently powered splitter. This is a not so good photo of one my son and I built last year. It can be trailered by the front hitch or carried by the three point hitch if you need the tractor to get it to hard to reach places. That's what I was doing when this photo was taken. Then you can leave it there if you want to. It is completely independent of the tractor.

By the time you buy a pto pump and all the stuff you can build one of these (for less) and be much better off. A splitter running off the 8N's hydraulics alone will be so slow you won't use it but once. In addition I don't think you want your 8N sitting there running all day powering a splitter. If the cost of the 6.5hp engine is a problem the one I have was less than $300.00 new. The splitter was mostly built out of scrap steel and cutoff's I got cheap at the local welding shop. I don't know the ton rating on it but it's split anything we could feed it. We've been happy with it.

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ozark mike

03-04-2006 11:34:21




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 Re: log splitters for a 8 n ford tractor in reply to STIX DOUGLAS, 03-04-2006 09:43:57  
do yourself a favor and get a trailer type...i`ve been doing this for over 30 years and have tried every way i could think of...best for me is a 20-21 ton trailer style....pto is just to slow and you tie up your tractor...i split around 100 cord a year...this year not so much..mike



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Colin King

03-04-2006 10:47:58




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 Re: log splitters for a 8 n ford tractor in reply to STIX DOUGLAS, 03-04-2006 09:43:57  
I'm in the same boat. I split around 10 cords year for my folks (who heat and cook entirely w/wood). the splitter I used to use is no longer available. If you do a search on the Nboard, you'll find a lot of discussion on the subject of splitters.

I have found what looks like a really good PTO driven pump splitter with a 20-ton rating manufactured by a company out of NC. They are expensive, but their sales rep says that it's designed with an N series in mind. They will also ship for free. Talk to Steve Winter. Their link is below.

You can also google for a company called Timberwolf. They make a similar product (PTO driven pump).

Based on what's on the boards, you want to avoid anything that runs off the N's weak hydraulics. You might want to check with one of the fellows here, ZANE, who I think sells a hydraulic pump kit. You might be able to adapt it to this use.

Also, depending on how much wood you use, it seems that the fuel economy of the N will be less than a new Briggs, so you might want to consider that aspect too.

Good luck!

Colin, Minnesota

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STIX DOUGLAS

03-04-2006 11:26:29




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 Responses to : log splitters for a 8 n ford tracto in reply to Colin King, 03-04-2006 10:47:58  
Thanks for the imput. I have now checked out Tractor Supply and its splitter which is impressive as well as Ram Splitters. Does anyone have experence with the connectors and or hoses that accually connect to the 8N? Does the hydrolic system work effectively or am I being snow balled?



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Bob

03-04-2006 12:58:40




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 Re: Responses to : log splitters for a 8 n ford tr in reply to STIX DOUGLAS, 03-04-2006 11:26:29  
If you connect a splitter to the stock 8N hydraulic system, with it's low flow, hell will freeze over just slightly before you get your wood split.

A typical log splitter pump will flow 10 to 15 GPM's, which is 10 times the flow of the N's hydraulic pump.



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Jimmyjack

03-04-2006 10:34:31




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 Re: log splitters for a 8 n ford tractor in reply to STIX DOUGLAS, 03-04-2006 09:43:57  
I went that route, but it really wasnt efficient or convenient. I have a splitter with a 5 hp Honda, and I can use the tractor for anything else (trailer-skidding) with out the woodsplitter tieing it up. The idea sounds nice, but unless you have a better hookup than I, it is too slow and cumbersome.



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Buss

03-04-2006 10:23:26




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 Re: log splitters for a 8 n ford tractor in reply to STIX DOUGLAS, 03-04-2006 09:43:57  
Link

Tractor Supply has one for PTO at about $650.



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Bob

03-04-2006 10:01:07




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 Re: log splitters for a 8 n ford tractor in reply to STIX DOUGLAS, 03-04-2006 09:43:57  
It seems to me I have seen splitters that are carried on the 3-point hitch, yet have their own engine and pump. Didn't see anything like that at Northern did you?

Having another engine sounds kind of silly, yet, such a unit probably wouldn't cost more than rigging up a PTO pump for the 8N tractor, unless you had access to a used pump.



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STIX DOUGLAS

03-04-2006 10:28:50




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 Re: log splitters for a 8 n ford tractor in reply to Bob, 03-04-2006 10:01:07  
My thought is to utilize the 8 n and its PTO making it more useful rather then pay for another "wasted" briggs and stration engine to run unneccessary. I would just buy one on a trailer if that was the case. Why spend money wastfully? I am looking at this as "farm" equipment and not for others to use.



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jimNCal

03-04-2006 21:36:59




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 Re: log splitters for a 8 n ford tractor in reply to STIX DOUGLAS, 03-04-2006 10:28:50  
I bought a BIG trailer mounted splitter (cheap) at auction a couple of years ago. The engine was old and never ran strong/well enough to be useful so I junked it and modified the pump shaft to accept my Jubilee's PTO and it was a GOOD move. 35 HP instead of a weak 8.



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Dave Sherburne NY

03-04-2006 10:55:55




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 Re: log splitters for a 8 n ford tractor in reply to STIX DOUGLAS, 03-04-2006 10:28:50  
I had one that operated off the pto for a long
time A little trailer with valve cylinder and pump mounted on it . The pump was off a loader that
went on a loader that would have mounted on a Ford 8n The whole thing was home made. Worked great for a lot of years. Never loaned out, nobody
had a tractor to run it. Those engine driven ones
are very noisy, and people without a tractor can
borrow them.

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Bob

03-04-2006 10:41:44




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 Re: log splitters for a 8 n ford tractor in reply to STIX DOUGLAS, 03-04-2006 10:28:50  
STIX,

I wasn't suggesting you "waste money". I was suggesting that adding an auxillary PTO hydraulic pump AND buying a splitter would cost more than simply buying a splitter with an engine already on it.

If what you are really asking, is how to add a functioning hydraulic system to your "N" to use with other things besides the splitter, have you checked out ZANE's "Live Thang"?

Or, for PTO pumps, reservoirs, and valves, check out surpluscenter.com.

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steveormary

03-04-2006 11:00:36




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 Re: log splitters for a 8 n ford tractor in reply to Bob, 03-04-2006 10:41:44  
Retired,dont have to split wood no mo.

I used a splitter with a 8-10 hp B&S to run the hyd. pump. I think I would prefer a PTO driven pump. Then you dont have another engine to look after. steveormary



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