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05-02-2001 06:46:10




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9N'er,
I read a post of yours over the weekend on how you prep between coats of primer. Do you use the laquer thinner to clean only on laquer primer, or on enamel as well? Does the tack cloth leave any residue that will cause me problems on the paint job? What thinner do you reccomend with alkyd enamels (Naptha)? Thanks
Nate




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9N'er

05-02-2001 11:07:45




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 Re: Paint ? in reply to ? for 9N'er from Nate L, 05-02-2001 06:46:10  
I have used the reducer as a thinner, and at one time I used a higher grade lacquer thinne in small quantity to thin it too.

I use lacquer htiner to clean over both, but do test a small area first. That is important. I also noticed that if the paint hasn't fully cured it tends to remove the enamel fast. Fresh paint cleaned with lacquer thinner tends to de-gloss it too. After 7 days or so, the lacquer thinner doesn't dissolve the paint surface and it remains glossy if I need to remove dirt, oil, and residues.

I am not too familiar with lacquer primer, but if it is the stuff in the spray cans, it is very sensitive to lacquer thinner.

A safer cleaner over the enamel would be Naptha. I am fairly certain that it does not leave a micro thin oil residue...but again, don't take my word as gospel. Test a small area out first. Naptha is a safer solvent to use if you have doubts.

Tack cloth: I very lightly and with minimal pressure, wipe the area with a tack cloth. I suspect that when I wiped the Ford script on a fender set not too long ago, with heavy pressure and back and forth motion with a tack cloth; that caused the alligatoring and crinkling. I had to go through a process of sanding with 400 to 600, wiping with lacquer thinner, and then re spraying that area to blend the repair in with the rest. It turned out great BTW.

Use the tack cloth as a method to lift the dust but not to rub it hard it. Light pressure and minimize the use of it. Tack cloths are handy. Another option on bare mtal is lacquer thinner on a knap free well washed and old soft terry cloth rag. Old t-shirts are good. Underwear, especially the blends don't work too well. And, my wife wonders about me when I raid her drawers and she's missing items! :) LOL!

I hope I have been of some help. Al English is really knowledgeable about this too. You may want to consider posting a message to him to verify my process. I'm not sure he's the type to raid his wife's underwear drawer though when short of rags!! :) LOL again. 9N'er

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Nate

05-02-2001 12:36:46




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 Re: Re: Paint ? in reply to 9N'er, 05-02-2001 11:07:45  
Thanks 9N'er
I Just sprayed my second coat of TSC primer (alkyd enamel). The first coat was sprayed with my new Sharpe HVLP gravity gun. The compressor couldn't keep up and the job looked terrible. The second coat was done on Sunday with the same gun, but a new compressor. Talk about night and day difference. I had no water problems. I also wish that I had started the job with NAPA paint. Now I am stuck, and even stuck for the next many tractors. The dealer in London bought out a huge amount of car quest brand paint (I guess they went out of business) and I picked up about 12 gallons. Couldn't pass it up at $8.50/gl. It looks as though it is still alkyd enamel, but it has some different ingredients that the TSC paint. Thanks again for your help. I have been trying to dig into your's and Al's past posts.
Nate

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Check out the Eastwood Company

05-02-2001 18:11:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Paint ? in reply to Nate, 05-02-2001 12:36:46  
The Eastwood Company sells items that are helpful and handy for metal, body work, etc. etc. I purchased a 3 screen strainer set with a small stand that holds the strainer above the hvlp cup and holds the gun underneath. It works well to pour the paint into the strainer and through the strainer into the cup.

Also, check out the disposable in-line water filters too. Here's my set-up: Compressor @ 100 PSI ---->short hose about 3 feet----->mounted oil and water filter cartridge with regulator set at 45 psi-----> lines to gun---->disposable filter attached to gun.

They work slick.

They also sell an air gun cleaning kit with assorted micro brushes and calibrated wires for cleaning nozzles etc. all on a small key chain. That is a handy unit to have and both of these are inexpensive and worth their weight in gold.

I use an Emglo 2 tank portable wheelbarrow compressor. I think s it has two 4 gallon tanks on it...nonetheless about 2.5hp. It works well for me. Even when the compressor is running to keep up with the air supply...that's why I set it 100-120. The inline 45 psi regulator/oil/water trap mounted to the bench hgolds back the pressure and provides the pressure I need after that and I never worry about lack of pressure while spraying.

It's easy to fret over a paint job that isn't going well. Sometimes it's best to back away and come at it with a fresh attitude. Also, if worse comes to worse, wet sand after drying for a day with 600 grit, and spray a light coat over again.

good luck. Would like to see some pictures as you progress. 9N'er

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Nate L

05-03-2001 05:53:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Paint ? in reply to Check out the Eastwood Company, 05-02-2001 18:11:54  
Thanks again
My air setup seems to be working pretty good now.
Craftsmen regulator water/oil filter---->30 ft. hose (only used for painting)--->Wilkinson water/oil filter---->50 ft hose (only used for painting)--->mini regulator---> in line water trap.
I wish that I had hard piping in the shop, but alas maybe someday.
I may be ashamed to post my progress on the board after seeing some of the pics on here. This is also a TO-20 that I'm working on now. I do have a 9 and a 2 to do after this and another Ferg. That is why I got so much of that gosh darn F/F gray paint the other day. Maybe I'll put in a pic or two of the Fords....after a good touch up on my computer photo shop.
Nate

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