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Rewiring a 2N - Dell and others??

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skirider

03-27-2006 06:27:50




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Here is the deal. Last year I purchased a 1944 2N and it has been converted to 12-volt. I"ve had hit and miss electrical problems and I"m quite sure it has to do with the hack job wiring.

It currently uses a (new) 3-position switch, and an alternator with a main wire lead in and a plastic plug with 2 wires out.

Here is what I would like to do:

I don"t trust any of the existing wiring and would like to replace it all. Can any of you provide me with the SIMPLEST way to wire with the 12-volt conversion and replace all of the stock stuff with new? I"m not a mechanical idiot but I"m not a mechanic either..I recognize my limitation. I can follow directions pretty decent though!

Does someone have a list of the parts and part numbers as well as perhaps a diagram of the easiest way to do this? I"d really appreciate it and I can settle these issues once and for all!

Thanks,

James

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Bob Harvey

03-27-2006 17:21:58




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 Re: Rewiring a 2N - Dell and others?? in reply to skirider, 03-27-2006 06:27:50  
Just print ALL the diagrams from 'wayback'..... ...e-bay !!!!



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RoNofohio

03-27-2006 14:33:40




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 Re: Rewiring a 2N - Dell and others?? in reply to skirider, 03-27-2006 06:27:50  
James, don't think you are alone when it comes to reading schematics. To most people, they a conglomerated mess of wires, resisters, coils, capacitors, and switches. But if you will separate the schematics into the (4) circuits that are present in a 9n tractor, it becomes quite simple. To really make it simple, print out the schematics and using 4 different colors of "high-lighters", highlight each circuit.

1. Charging circuit: Its just a wire running from the large post on back of the alternator to the "common connection" point on the terminal board. From that point, run another wire to one side of the ampmeter and from the other side of the ampmeter, run a wire to the battery side of the starter switch. The large battery cable takes this charge up to the battery. (one color)

2. Starter circuit: This is the large wire that runs from the other side of the starter switch down to the starter. The starter is self grounding and needs no other wires. (Make this a different color)

3. Ignition circuit: Run a wire from the "common connection" point of the terminal block to one side of the ignition switch (probably marked bat. From the other side of the ignition switch (probably marked ign), run a wire to one side of the ballast resister. From the other side of the ballast resister, run a wire to the coil. (another color)
4. Light circuit: Run a wire from the "common connection point" on the terminal block either side of the light switch. Run another wire from the other side of the light switch to the headlights. Since these are internally grounded, no other wires are needed. (4th color)

Now because you have the additional "excitation" circuit back to the alternator, run a wire from the ballast resister side of the ignition switch to either a marker lamp or diode. From the other side of the (markerlamp), run a wire to plug P1. Run a short jumper wire from P2 to the large post on back of the alternator.This is a part of the charging circuit and should be the same color as the charging circuit.
Hope this helps..JMHO...Ron

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skirider

03-28-2006 06:28:16




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 Thanks Ron.....but I think I've found an issue in reply to RoNofohio, 03-27-2006 14:33:40  
I believe I can follow most of the directions you gave me no problem, but I have one issue..... I can't find the terminal block?

Unless it's hiding under something I'll be darned if I can find it..... anybody have a location for me to look or a pic to show me?

Thanks,

James



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RoNofohio

03-28-2006 13:36:17




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 Re: Thanks Ron.....but I think I've found an issue in reply to skirider, 03-28-2006 06:28:16  
What we are calling a "terminal Block" is a small rectangle of bakelite (or other insulated material) which is connected to the dashboard (on the motor side) and which has your ballast resister mounted on it. At the middle bottom of it is a small bolt and nut where you can pick up a hot wire for all the other circuits (Except for the starter). If your 2n doesn't have the terminal block, then you can use the bat position of your ignition switch as a common connector. From this point, your wire from the alternator, and wire to the ampmeter and wire to the light switch can be connected. On the (ign) side of the ignition switch, would be a wire to the ballast resister and a wire to the marker lamp for excitation. Remember, if you don't have a 12v coil, then you will need a 2nd resister that is wired in series with the ballast resister. I'm not sure what the wattage or resistance of the additional resister that I use, but the part # is 8ne10306. JMHO...Ron

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2N Paul - SK

03-27-2006 10:26:30




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 Re: 2N 12 volt conversion diagram in reply to skirider, 03-27-2006 06:27:50  
Hi James,

I don't have pix readily available, but Bob's pic of the alternator above is the best I've seen showing the P1, P2 and the diode setup.

If you look closely you can see the "1" and "2" below the white plug in the pic - that's P1 and P2...

The connections back at the tractor dash are, with my very limited experience with this sort of thing, a little more confusing.

I'll try and get a pic of it all tonight, maybe that'll help.

Cheers,
Paul

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souNdguy

03-27-2006 07:49:12




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 Re: Rewiring a 2N - Dell and others?? in reply to skirider, 03-27-2006 06:27:50  
The basic wireing diagram for a front mount in the fo-4 covers all but the new ignition switch and the alternator.

Hook the charge stud on the alternator to where the bat contact would have been on the cutout relay.. or the VR. Now.. #2 on the alt loops down to charge stud. #1 on the alt goes to an isolated accy lug ont he start switch.. otherwise wire as per diagram. Keep any resistors you have, in line with the coil.

Might want to start with a new cheap repro wire harness.. 15$ from tsc.. etc..

Any reason you are not using the tranny interlocked thumb starter switch?

Soundguy

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skirider

03-27-2006 08:39:58




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 I should have mentioned that it is still using the in reply to souNdguy, 03-27-2006 07:49:12  
Tranny mounted thumb starter switch, my bad.

I am wanting to replace all of the resistors etc that need to be as well as I have no confidence in what is there due to age and deterioration.

Thanks,

James



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Bob

03-27-2006 08:00:42




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 Re: Rewiring a 2N - Dell and others?? in reply to souNdguy, 03-27-2006 07:49:12  
Be kind to your alternator, and install an "idiot light", resistor, or diode in the lead from the switch to the #1 "switched excite" terminal.

This how the alternator was designed, and not using one of the three ways to prevent current from backfeeding from the #1 terminal on the alternator back to the ignition switch can cause internal alternator damage to the diode trio and/or voltage regulator under certain conditions. (Even if the ignition switch's "ACCY" terminal is used.)

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skirider

03-27-2006 08:42:59




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 Well it doesn't look like that!! more in reply to Bob, 03-27-2006 08:00:42  
I think there might be an idiot light like that in the wiring but I'll have to unwrap some wire to tell for sure.

What is very different is that I have one wire going back somewhere from the "nut" connection on the alternator and both wires from the plastic plug also to back somewhere in the wiring....not sure where but it sure doesn't look like your photo.

I really think this was a hack job at best!!

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2N Paul - SK

03-27-2006 09:25:10




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 Here's a diagram for ya in reply to skirider, 03-27-2006 08:42:59  
Hi James,

The nseries.com and myoldfords.com websites appear to no longer be functioning.

Thankfully their content, and that of 55 billion other webpages, lives on courtesy of the Internet Wayback Machine.

Scroll down the page to the diagram labelled "12 Volt Conversion."

This is the same diagram I used to recently rewire my '42 2N, and she's workin' like a charm.

Cheers,
Paul

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skirider

03-27-2006 10:10:41




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 Well it appears I'm a bit more of an idiot........ in reply to 2N Paul - SK, 03-27-2006 09:25:10  
than I thought!!

You have any pics of this? I get some of it but the stuff on the terminal block and P1 & P2 are a bit confusing to me as I'm not sure exactly what I'm looking at.....sheesh...sorry.

James



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