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Ron Tron

04-06-2006 06:41:05




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Just want anybody that might be considering a 12 volt conversion and electronic ignition of the correct wiring so you don't have to figure it out like I did.
The directions on the 12 volt conversion kit that YT sells gives direction to run the positive voltage regulator wire through the resistor on the junction box as well as a ceramic balist resistor..... .....This is not necessary when using the pertronix module. Hook the hot wire coming out of the distributor to the top side of the coil and then run a wire from there to the key side of the junction box..... ...questions email me..... ..rontron2000@yahoo

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dave guest

04-06-2006 19:46:39




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 Re: 9n Ford 12 volt conversion with the Pertronix in reply to Ron Tron, 04-06-2006 06:41:05  
Why o why would I ever want Pertronix?



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gahorN

04-06-2006 11:39:17




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 Re: 9n Ford 12 volt conversion with the Pertronix in reply to Ron Tron, 04-06-2006 06:41:05  
I keep hearing about how many "12 volt squarecan" coils fail because of resistor issues.... and I wonder why I can't get mine to fail. All I did was install a new wire-wound NOS resistor/terminal block and a 12v squarecan coil (both obtained thru one of this site's suppliers) and now going on 3 years....it just keeps runnin' and runnin' and runnin' and runnin'..... .. "I wanna be like youu ooh ooh ooh ooh ....", The King Monkey (Scat-Man Carouthers song in "Jungle Book".)

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DavidO

04-07-2006 07:46:40




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 Re: 9n Ford 12 volt conversion with the Pertronix in reply to gahorN, 04-06-2006 11:39:17  
gahorN, That definitely works. I have done it myself when I did not have the other parts available. It is not ideal, but is OK.



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Bob

04-06-2006 06:56:40




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 Re: 9n Ford 12 volt conversion with the Pertronix in reply to Ron Tron, 04-06-2006 06:41:05  
You must have an aftermarket "12-Volt square-can coil"?

What you are saying is to eliminate the original-equipment ballast resistor by taking power from ahead of the resistor, directly from the ignition switch, and also eliminating the ceramic "converting resistor" that has been installed into the lead from the original ballast resistor to the coil?

My comments are:

If you have a "12-Volt square-can" aftermarket coil, you still need "Dell's Secret Current Limiting Resistor" of about 1/2 Ohm @ 20 Watts to keep the coil from overheating, and failing prematurely.

With the history of these coils, it seems they just don't take the 14.5 Volts, or so, on an alternator-equipped system over a long period of time without failure, if a resistor isn't used.

If you have the original "6-Volt square-can coil", NO WAY is it gonna take 14.5 Volts with NO OEM resistor or converting resistor intalled.

I simply have to conclude you have an aftermarket "12-Volt" coil, and have been lucky so far. I really do suspect coil life will likely be shortened without a 1/2 Ohm resistor in the circuit.

One really has to be carefull about giving "one size fits all" advice for these unique Ford ignition systems, because often folks don't know WHICH coil they have, OEM "6-Volt", or aftermarket "12-Volt", and the coils are NOT always marked!

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Ron Tron

04-06-2006 07:17:04




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 Re: 9n Ford 12 volt conversion with the Pertronix in reply to Bob, 04-06-2006 06:56:40  
I was trying to rush words. The 12 volt conversion kit for the 9n has a 2.5 ohm coil. I spoke to Marvin with Pertronix and he told me that the 1247 module I bought to go with the conversion kit is 12 volt and the 2.5 ohm coil can run direct.
Your saying that is not so? I haven't put power to the system yet. Its raining in Southern Cal.

The problem as I see it is your thinking the 12 volt conversion kit doesn't have a new coil provided with it as it does. The suggestion of running resistors between coil and battery are that your running a less than 2.5 ohm coil and or still running points. The pertronix instructions say run a resistor also but they are thinking that your running a less than 2.5 ohm coil. Let me know if this is not of your opinion also.

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Bob

04-06-2006 07:43:17




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 Re: 9n Ford 12 volt conversion with the Pertronix in reply to Ron Tron, 04-06-2006 07:17:04  
Over the years, the aftermarket "12-Volt" coils simply have not had a good history on 12-Volt alternator converted systems. They don't seem to run as cool internally as metal "round-can" coils, and the insulative tar melts, and the coil eventually fails.

Perhaps that has now been remedied, and the coil you have is "OK" to run without a resistor, but who knows?

I guess, if it were mine, I'd go with the 1/2 Ohm 20 Watt resistor, to be on the safe side. So long as the tractor starts and runs well (has adequate spark) WITH the resistor, I can't see a downside to it. It should provide a margin of safety to the coil, AND the module, because if the coil shorts, it will typically "smoke" the module.

I have not yet done one of these Pertronix conversions on a front-mount, although I have used DOZENS of the Pertronix modules on other applications.

The Pertronix modules are GOOD, but they have one nasty quirk. If the ignition switch is left on by accident, without the the engine running, the module will keep current flow through the coil 'till the battery goes dead, heating the coil AND the module.

Pertronix makes a newer series of modules for common applications, called the "Pertronix II". These are "smarter", and switch off the coil current when engine rotation is not present. It doesn't look like they are offering one for the "N"'s at this time.

As you probably know Pertronix also makes a "round-can coil" conversion kit for this application. If I were installing a Pertronix on a front-mount, I would seriously consider that option.

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Ron Tron

04-06-2006 07:28:16




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 Re: 9n Ford 12 volt conversion with the Pertronix in reply to Ron Tron, 04-06-2006 07:17:04  
Also..... ...I have a guy in Texas by the name of Don Hyde that is somewhat infamous and made the modules before pertronix did them for the Ford 312 that I also have. I speak to him all the time about advice. FYI Fordcraft/Plano, TX. He told me of which I have done to connect the coil on the other side of the junction box from the key side and try it. If it runs rough then hook the coil up directly to the key side.
Now, the point being here is that the wire I was most concerned about was the red wire coming out of the distributor from the Petronix unit. The Pertronix instructions call for it to run to the hot side of the key and then return to the top of the coil from the other side of the ballist resistor on the junction box. Is this your thinking? That the pertronix module needs the 12 volt side of the key or junction box but the wire going to the top side of the 2.5 ohm coil need to be reduced by the junctio box ballist resistor?

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dbwillia

04-06-2006 15:22:55




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 Re: 9n Ford 12 volt conversion with the Pertronix in reply to Ron Tron, 04-06-2006 07:28:16  
What year of car do you have, with the 312 engine? I assume if it is original equipment it would be a 1956 or 1957.



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Bob

04-06-2006 08:04:12




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 Re: 9n Ford 12 volt conversion with the Pertronix in reply to Ron Tron, 04-06-2006 07:28:16  
As I stated in my other post, I have not yet used a Pertronix on a front-mount Ford.

However, on other applications, the red wire from the module gets FULL SYSTEM VOLTAGE, and the ballast resistor is in the circuit to the COIL.

I WOULD NOT have the original ballast resistor in the curcuit with your "12-Volt" coil, as it has about 1.6 Ohms resistance when warmed up, WAY more than needed. I would, however, use the 1/2 Ohm, 20 Watt resistor.

For what it's worth, here is how I would try this:

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DavidO

04-06-2006 11:22:19




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 Re: 9n Ford 12 volt conversion with the Pertronix in reply to Bob, 04-06-2006 08:04:12  
Ron,

I agree with Bob. If you do not use the 1/2 ohm resistor in series with your "2.5 ohm coil", it will likely fail after a short time and take out your ignition module when it does. Don't fight it. Put in the 1/2 ohm 20W resistor. If it doesn't run well, something else is wrong. The coil current limiting resistor needs to be there.



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DavidO

04-06-2006 11:27:52




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 Re: 9n Ford 12 volt conversion with the Pertronix in reply to DavidO, 04-06-2006 11:22:19  
Just to be accurate when you go looking for the part, Dell's "secret" resistor is a pakage of two resistors that are one ohm, 10 Watt. When wired in paralell you get a 1/2 ohm, 20 watt resistor.



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Ron Tron

04-09-2006 07:15:13




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 Re: 9n Ford 12 volt conversion with the Pertronix in reply to DavidO, 04-06-2006 11:27:52  
Bob and David O ..... ..... ..

The resistor at the junction box reads .6 ohms resistance..... .....I hooked it up that way instead of your suggestion of using the aftermarket ceramic resistor. You still think I'll have a problem? The tractor runs fine and starts immediately when the button is pushed....God I love those Pertronix modules.....

Anyway now I have the dilema that I'm reading 19+ volts to the Alternator side of the ampmeter and 12+ on the other side but the gage doesn't show any charge at all..... .scratch my head.....

For the guy that asked about my 312.....Its in my 36 Ford pickup I call "Desire"

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