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Rear wheels center nut comes loose

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Pooh Bear

04-11-2006 19:44:12




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I have had this happen twice now.
The first time I noticed it, the big center axle nut
on the rear wheels was half off. I could see the
internal threads of the nut. I jacked up that side
of the tractor (left) and tighted the nut down.
I didn"t tighten it super tight as I don"t know how
tight to make it. The other day when I got finished
mowing the yard I parked the tractor and the problem
was back. Same wheel. Looked worse this time.
That wheel is the only one the brakes work on.
And I had used it several times to make tight turns.
I wondered if that had anything to do with it.

What do I need to do to fix this and keep the problem from coming back.

Thanks.

Pooh Bear

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Troy(IL)

04-12-2006 02:39:33




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 Re: Rear wheels center nut comes loose in reply to Pooh Bear, 04-11-2006 19:44:12  
I had the nut come loose on an 8N that i used to own, and for a quick fix, i drilled and tapped one of the the holes in the nut 1/4 - 28 and put a set screw with a jam nut in it so it would protrude into the keyway when tightened, my hub and axle splines were in good shape, if yours are not this fix probably wont do you much good.



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Dell (WA)

04-11-2006 22:56:30




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 Re: Rear wheels center nut comes loose in reply to Pooh Bear, 04-11-2006 19:44:12  
Pooh..... ....ain't 'nuttin' sacred about 450ft/bs torque on the 8N's rear axlenut. 400 or 500ft/lbs still in the ballpark. While most people can lift 100-150lbs, most peoples arm muscles kinda poop-out at 100lbs. You doubt? Try holding just 50lbs straight out from yer shoulder. This is why you need at least a 4ft cheater bar to tighten yer rear axlenut.

Howsomevers; I'd remove the nut for a visual inspection of the threads, (both axleshaft and axlenut) Tire ain't gonnna fall off, you done proved it stays on with loose nut. The 1.25-18 thread rearaxle is very hard thread, and difficult to strip ...but... can be worn by loose nut.

Yer 1-7/8" hex rearnut threads are softer than the rearaxle and can be stripped. Check closely. It should have a snap-ring innna groove to keep it locked inplace once tightened to about 450ft/lbs. Piece of bailin' wire will work.

Now heres the deal, yer rearaxle has a "tapered spline" that yer rear hub is tighened against. The rearaxle has shoulder that prevents you from completely snugging the taper together as tight as it should be. So what you really need to do besides tightening yer rear axlenut to 450ft/lbs is to check for rearhub spline wear by grabbing the top of yer reartire and trying to "rock-itt". Iff'n it "clunks" your rearaxle hub is worn. You can also see yer axle washer move against the axlenut as it clunks. This is a common wear item and many 8N's are driven daily with loose hubs. (no matter how tight you tighten the axlenut).

The 2-part tapered jamb clamp-nut is far superior to the OEM 1-part axlenut with locking snapring. It locks tighter on worn axleshaft threads. It is NOT a Ford part ($25, cheap)..... ..Dell

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duey

04-11-2006 22:08:30




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 Re: Rear wheels center nut comes loose in reply to Pooh Bear, 04-11-2006 19:44:12  
Pooh, You do understand that 450 ft/lbs is:

450# hanging 90 degrees on a 12" bar or handle

225# hanging 90 degrees on a 2' bar

150# hanging 90 degrees on a 3' bar

112# hanging 90 degrees on a 4' bar
OR
75# hanging 90 degrees on a 6' bar

Do the math... force times feet. If your bar or handle of choice is 42" long, that is: 3 1/2 feet divided into 450 or about 128# to hang on the bar.

I know that wasn't really your question, but may make it easier for you to get the wheel properly snugged up. Don't need it getting loose... good luck, duey

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Pooh Bear

04-12-2006 05:25:23




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 Re: Rear wheels center nut comes loose in reply to duey, 04-11-2006 22:08:30  
Yep, I was a math and physics major in college.
I figger me standing on the end of a 4ft bar is good for at least 1200 to 1300 ft-lbs.
Us bears aren"t exactly light.
And I"m one overstuffed teddy bear.

Pooh Bear



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Jetman8N

04-11-2006 20:11:28




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 Re: Rear wheels center nut comes loose in reply to Pooh Bear, 04-11-2006 19:44:12  
If you can't tighten the nut to 450 ft-lbs, you may have stripped threads on the axle. Depending on how bad it is, you can put a beveled two piece nut on it (Don B has them). If you can tighten it down, put a locking device on the nut. It is a piece of wire that fits in the hole in the axle and locks the nut in place.
Good luck and best wishes that it's only missing the locking wire!



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StahlMaster

04-11-2006 20:08:19




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 Re: Rear wheels center nut comes loose in reply to Pooh Bear, 04-11-2006 19:44:12  
The original nut came with a locking ring that keeps the nut from loosening. If the original is lost or th axel is stripped a replacement nut is available that compresses on to the axle.



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Jim.UT

04-11-2006 19:48:05




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 Re: Rear wheels center nut comes loose in reply to Pooh Bear, 04-11-2006 19:44:12  
Torque spec on that big axle nut is 450 ft/lbs and that's not a misprint. If you were doing it carefully because you were afraid to overtighten it, I doubt you got it to 450 ft/lbs.



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Pooh Bear

04-11-2006 20:15:59




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 Re: Rear wheels center nut comes loose in reply to Jim.UT, 04-11-2006 19:48:05  
I used to own a 4wd truck that the front axle nuts
had to be tightened to 200ft-lbs. I know I have
seen the 450 figure before but forgot what it referred to.
I didn"t get no where near that.
I"ve got an fo-4 manual here somewhere.
Used to keep it handy right here by my desk.
Oh, and I forgot before. It is an early 49 8N.
The nut on there looks to have holes in it.
I guess those are for something pin the nut on the axle.
Can I just tighten it and stick something thru the holes?

I look into getting a new axle nut.

Thanks.

Pooh Bear

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old

04-11-2006 21:23:01




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 Re: Rear wheels center nut comes loose in reply to Pooh Bear, 04-11-2006 20:15:59  
Another thing you can do and I'll probably get yelled at for saying this is. Use some silacone sealer on the nut when you put it back on. Put it on and then leave it till tommorow. Then when you se it the silicone will hold it tight as long as you have it half way tight already



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