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sarge74

05-02-2006 15:43:15




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I just converted my 8N front coil mount to a 12 volt system. It started great, no problem, but after about 10 minutes it began spitting and sputtering for a couple of minutes and then died, and now will crank over but won't start. I noticed as I was trying to restart it that the new 12 volt resistor was hot to the point of melting the wiring insulation on the 2 wires going to the resistor. How hot should this thing get, and assuming this is not normal, any ideas on what could cause the resistor to over heat like that? Also when installing a 12 volt resistor is it still necessary to wire through the old 6 volt resistor or can you just jump around it?

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wytold

05-03-2006 03:18:55




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 Re: 8N 12 volt resistor in reply to sarge74, 05-02-2006 15:43:15  
I"m confused, my 12 v conversion included a resister. Do I have to use both the old resister and the new resisiter in line ? or just the new resister ?



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Bob

05-03-2006 07:37:06




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 Re: 8N 12 volt resistor in reply to wytold, 05-03-2006 03:18:55  
If this is a front-mount distributor, and you are retaining the original 6-Volt coil, you need to use BOTH the original ballast resistor, and the "6-to-12-Volt" converting resistor from the kit.

If you have an aftermarket "12-Volt" coil, or a side-mount distributor with a "round-can" coil, post back for different instructions.



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Dell (WA)

05-02-2006 16:29:21




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 Re: 8N 12 volt resistor in reply to sarge74, 05-02-2006 15:43:15  
Sarge..... ....resistors gitt HOT. burnie-burnie. And NEW resistors smoke because of the way they are made. Howsomevers; this doesn't address yer problem.

Your 12-to-6 volt converting resistor should NOT gitt hott-enuff to melt yer thermo-plastic wiring insulation. Howsomevers, don't lay plastic insulation directly on-top or next to the HOT resistor because guess what? itt'll melt. (n.b..... .check the wiring of electric stoves, they use "fabric" insulation, (nomex, fiberglass, asbestos) because the heating elements, which are resistors, gitt HOT on purpose)

Your description of running, then loosing sparkie power can be caused by loose points that close because of invisable thread wear of the SHORT #8-32x3/16" points screw. p/n: 355047-S7. $50c, (cheap) Wannna guess what happens to yer 12-to-6 volt resistor when the points slipp closed?

YES, iff'n you continue to use yer OEM 6-volt squarecan ignition coil, you must use BOTH the OEM "infamous ballast resistor" AND the 12-to-6 volt converting resistor. OTHERWIZE you will MELT the squarecan ignition coils insulative tar and have weak sparkies..... ....Dell, yer self-appointed sparkie-meister and 12-volt advocate for the right reason

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sarge74

05-02-2006 16:41:42




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 Re: 8N 12 volt resistor in reply to Dell (WA), 05-02-2006 16:29:21  
Thanks dell, that helps a lot, at least now I know that it is not unusual for them to get that hot. I just didn't want to do anything more with it until I addressed that issue. I just checked it for spark at the plugs, and have none. Tomorrow I will check the points, thanks.



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Phil (NJ,Az,Sask)

05-02-2006 16:20:39




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 Re: 8N 12 volt resistor in reply to sarge74, 05-02-2006 15:43:15  
Sarg74, I don't know what you are calling a 12V resistor... but if your coil is 6V you need both the original ballast R (~.7 ohms) and an additional ballast R that measures ~ 1.7 ohms.
(both in series with your coil)

The current limiting function of "each" ballast Resistor results in a resistive change of ~ 1.0 ohm (increase) during operation.

The 12 volt Alt outputs 14.5 Volts and to limit
that to 3 amps you need a total 4.8 ohms of Circuit resistance (~3.8 ohms in Ballast +(Plus)coil 1.0 Ohm)

I hope this Helps,

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sarge74

05-02-2006 16:27:31




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 Re: 8N 12 volt resistor in reply to Phil (NJ,Az,Sask), 05-02-2006 16:20:39  
That helps some. I guess what I am calling the 12 volt resistor is the ballast you are talking about. I believe I have it wired correctly. Should it the new ballast get hot enough to melt the insulation where the wires connect to it?



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K.LaRue-VA

05-02-2006 19:28:23




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 Re: 8N 12 volt resistor in reply to sarge74, 05-02-2006 16:27:31  
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Reading through these messages I began to get the feeling that you might have used a resistor that is too small. You should have one of the big automotive type ceramic resistors that mount to the firewall with a screw and have two male spade lugs for connecting to your wiring. Mine is about 1/2 inch square and 3 inches long. It gets pretty warm, but certainly not hot enough to melt anything.

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Tom N MS

05-02-2006 20:12:58




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 Re: 8N 12 volt resistor in reply to K.LaRue-VA, 05-02-2006 19:28:23  
LOOKS LIKE IN THIS PICTURE THE resistor should be facing the other with the springy thing to the outside to dissipate heat better. Might not matter but should dissipate heat better if turned away from the block or other metal backing..



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K.LaRue-VA

05-03-2006 07:10:11




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 Re: 8N 12 volt resistor in reply to Tom N MS, 05-02-2006 20:12:58  
It just uses the metal behind it as a big heat sink. The firewall is a good bit cooler than the resistor. This is the way it mounted on all the old cars and if I tried to turn it around the exposed terminals would be up against the steel firewall. Very bad bZZZZZ ZT!



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sarge74

05-03-2006 03:27:31




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 Re: 8N 12 volt resistor in reply to Tom N MS, 05-02-2006 20:12:58  
Looks like the points sticking is causing the overheating problem on the ballast resistor and the starting problems. Thanks to all who have responded.



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Phil (NJ,AZ,Sask)

05-03-2006 13:47:41




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 Re: 8N 12 volt resistor in reply to sarge74, 05-03-2006 03:27:31  
Sarge74, You saved me a long winded reply that included
stuck points or a short in the dist

The other issue is "over-voltage" The Alt is not a toy and if not correctly connected ...and/or has a defective regulator (or diode) you could get 18V on the ignition circuit. A diode in the excite wire will "prevent" such over-voltage conditions.

Good Luck,



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