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Loader or Pond Scoop (3-pt bucket)?

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Anonym

05-03-2006 11:33:15




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Well, I'm full of questions today! I currently have a Ford (Dearborn) pond scoop (bucket that attaches to the 3-pt hitch) but have the opportunity to grab a dearborn front end loader (trip bucket) for my tractor for cheap. I'm wondering if the loader would be worth it.

I still have to make sure the pump and mounting brackets come with the loader, but do you think it would be a good investment? I currently have 19" wheels and headlights. Would a loader require 16" wheels? Headlights interfere w/ loader operation? What other changes would I need to make to my original 1947 8N?

Also, how much additional value would a loader add to my 8N? I'm not planning on doing any major construction or loading anything of great height (mainly moving dirt), so would the loader be more useful than my scoop?

Thanks again,
Justin in Indiana

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tman43

05-04-2006 10:43:48




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 Re: Loader or Pond Scoop (3-pt bucket)? in reply to Anonym, 05-03-2006 11:33:15  
Is a pond scoop the same thing as the dirt scoop they sell at TSC?



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Anonym

05-04-2006 10:45:42




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 Re: Loader or Pond Scoop (3-pt bucket)? in reply to tman43, 05-04-2006 10:43:48  
Yea, as far as I know, it's probably (relatively) the same thing. Mine's built like a tank though. Finally got through the crap and found the original Ford tag on it!

Justin



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guest

05-04-2006 05:04:08




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 Re: Loader or Pond Scoop (3-pt bucket)? in reply to Anonym, 05-03-2006 11:33:15  
You need BOTH. Without any weight on the
rear end the weight of the FEL will allow about 10-14 shovels full of dirt before the
rear tires get so light you will spin your
wheels. With a load of rocks in the rear scoop you
can carry about as much more dirt up front.
Your steering will be REAL HARD but manageable.
Some simple mount loaders (Sauder Bros, etc.)
use the hydraulic out of the N test port.
Would require heavy rear load or 3 point chained
to the axle. But you gon't have to cut up
the radiator shell.

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Bob Harvey

05-03-2006 19:43:49




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 Re: Loader or Pond Scoop (3-pt bucket)? in reply to Anonym, 05-03-2006 11:33:15  
Just remember, like a few paticipants of this Board, these tractors ARE antiques. 50 year old iron has probably done it's share of work. They are fun, neet, cool, collectible, groovy and a lot of other definitions, and as such, expectations of work loads should be a MAJOR factor in which implements one uses. Hey , if you spend all the time & $ to have a decent 'N'....don't bust it !!



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Yard monster

05-03-2006 15:54:57




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 Re: Loader or Pond Scoop (3-pt bucket)? in reply to Anonym, 05-03-2006 11:33:15  
my wife questioned me about how much i was spending on a loader too... until i bought her a shovel



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Jim.UT

05-03-2006 13:37:18




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 Re: Loader or Pond Scoop (3-pt bucket)? in reply to Anonym, 05-03-2006 11:33:15  
I had a Dearborn loader that I didn't need so I tried to sell it on ebay. Opening bid was $150. After a week it sold for $153.50 to a couple in Pennsyvania. They then spent $700 shipping the thing out from Utah.

As for mounts, I have a pair of the rear axle mounts. This is a before photo before I removed them from the tractor. They are now cleaned up and painted bright red. Available for sale (oops, I'm not supposed to say that here! I retract my last statement!).
third party image
Just in case your loader does not come with the necessary bracketry. I also have a front mount, but it's still on the tractor and appears to be cracked so I'm not sure it's worth anything. If I can get it off, you could try to weld it back together or use it as a pattern to make a new one.

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Anonym

05-03-2006 13:39:48




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 Re: Loader or Pond Scoop (3-pt bucket)? in reply to Jim.UT, 05-03-2006 13:37:18  
Ok. Thanks Jim! I'll keep that in mind. I don't want to wrap up too much money into it, but if I can get everything cheap enough, I'd like to try it!

Thanks,
Justin



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Anonym

05-03-2006 13:29:37




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 Re: Loader or Pond Scoop (3-pt bucket)? in reply to Anonym, 05-03-2006 11:33:15  
Ok. Looks like the $100 loader does have the pump and crankshaft assembly and front mount but the owner is not sure of the rear mounts. From what I've gathered, there are no rear mounts, but the loader arms bolt right onto the fender mounts of the rear axle, so maybe it is good to go. He even said the cylinders looked decent.

One thing the owner mentioned was that it does not have the hydraulic controls. Would this be a single spool valve for this application? How much do you think one would cost to get the job done?

As I said, this will probably be a long term project. I'll probably get everything cleaned up and painted on it while I'm saving up for a new set of 16" rims/tires for the front. Anything else I should look for with it? As I said, we think it's a Dearborn 19-8A (heavy duty w/ I-beam frame) loader.

Thanks,
Justin

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jimNCal

05-03-2006 17:25:16




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 Re: Loader or Pond Scoop (3-pt bucket)? in reply to Anonym, 05-03-2006 13:29:37  
If yours is an 8N with 19" fronts, you should be able to easily trade your 19's for a good set of 16's. Auto tires are the way to go. Little or no investment necessary there.

Don't forget to factor in the necessity of some sort of back end weight to counterbalance the FEL. Filled rear tires, iron weights, or a weighted 3 pt 'carryall' is in your future.

Also, safety first. The FEL opens up a whole other can of whoop @ss in the danger department if you are careless.

jim

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Dell (WA)

05-03-2006 13:19:55




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 Re: Loader or Pond Scoop (3-pt bucket)? in reply to Anonym, 05-03-2006 11:33:15  
Justin..... ...while alotta N-Tractors have FEL's, their frontaxle kingpin (behind radiator) is not originally designed for such heavy duty work. And then there is the issue of "live-hydraulics" which is best handled by a front crankshaft driven hydraulic pump. And all that FEL weight needs to be supported by bigg-enuff front tires. And remember, FEL's are power-up and gravity down. That means no power diggin'. Iff'n the price is right, buy it. Just be aware of the N's FEL limitations, after all FEL's were invented AFTER the N-Tractor was designed.

The rear 3-point mounted pond-scoop, works well and can be mounted for eather forward or rearward scoopin'. It also has greater carrying capacity (weight) than FEL's.

But iff'n you have a major 1-time job, RENT a modern tractor with power steering and gitter done.

Eather of them beat the alternative of shovel and wheelbarrow..... .....Dell

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hvw

05-03-2006 16:12:51




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 Re: Loader or Pond Scoop (3-pt bucket)? in reply to Dell (WA), 05-03-2006 13:19:55  
I agree with Dell on this one. Take the money and rent a machine designed to do what you want and then take it back. It'll be worth it. I also have a scoop for my 8N and it does a great job within its limitations. I wouldn't want to dig a pond with it though. For more heavy duty stuff you need at least a tractor with an axle designed for a loader. I've seen four or five busted front axles around here on 8N's, 2 3000's and one 2000 which all have the same axle set up.

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old

05-03-2006 12:26:46




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 Re: Loader or Pond Scoop (3-pt bucket)? in reply to Anonym, 05-03-2006 11:33:15  
Loaders and worth there weight in gold some times and other times can be a pain. Loader on an 8N etc has only 2 little problems. They steer a lot harder and it it has the 19 inch tires on it will sink in and get you stuck easy. If you have a loader you needto also get the 16 inch tires up front. Now with all that said yes they are very good to have and will do 10 times the work in half the time as that scoop will do plus you can lift say around 1000lbs up 10 foot in the air. Just be careful lifting stuff up a loader will also flip a tractor over on its side if you move things and have them up high. Never lift higher then you need to when driveing around with it, loaded or unloaded

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Westwind

05-03-2006 12:18:40




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 Re: Loader or Pond Scoop (3-pt bucket)? in reply to Anonym, 05-03-2006 11:33:15  
If you don't want one of these loaders and they come with the pump and mounts, email me. I'd definitely be interested.

Thanks.
Westwind in Michigan



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Anonym

05-03-2006 12:15:53




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 Re: Loader or Pond Scoop (3-pt bucket)? in reply to Anonym, 05-03-2006 11:33:15  
After further investigation, it looks to be a Dearborn 19-8A (heavy duty) loader. Does that help any?

Thanks,
Justin



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Anonym

05-03-2006 11:50:25




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 Re: Loader or Pond Scoop (3-pt bucket)? in reply to Anonym, 05-03-2006 11:33:15  
Thanks for the comment. One I've found does not have the pump or mounting brackets and can be had for $50. Another one I've found is $100, but I'm still waiting to hear from the seller about the pump and mounting brackets. If it's complete, I'll probably look into grabbing this one to put on my tractor eventually.

I'm in need of new tires on the rear and a loader may like the wider front tires, so this may be a "long term investment" while I get things in order.

Hmm, my wife is questioning $100 for a loader. I wonder if I'd have better luck talking her into new tires for my tractor or just buying a new tractor for the loader?! ;)

Justin

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soundguy

05-03-2006 11:43:14




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 Re: Loader or Pond Scoop (3-pt bucket)? in reply to Anonym, 05-03-2006 11:33:15  
Usefullness of a loader? Think of it as a mini crane... Even trip loaders can be usefull.

Tires? Yes.. your loader tractor will 'want' the 5/6x tires vs the 4x tires. Would it run wioth the 4x19/ yes.. but will cut in and not handle the load if you carry heavy loads, as well as the wider tires.

Headlamps? probably have to move them tot he loader frame.. really depends on the specific loader frame though.

Other chages... you will need a pump-crank drive.. not a hand crank drive.

Value. Anywhere from 0-500 bucks, depending on the setup.

Soundguy

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