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R. Kombloski

05-11-2006 04:00:37




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Hi I'm new here and would like to ask where the best place is to buy a 8 volt battery for my 9n.
Thanks, Ron




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sotxbill

05-14-2006 18:08:16




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 Re: 8 volt battery in reply to R. Kombloski, 05-11-2006 04:00:37  
double e my back side... 8 volt work well... tweak up the voltage on the requlator and they charge perfect... they have the effect of spinning the motor faster.... meaning with the up draft carb...they pull more vacum... meaning that the mixture is delivered to the engine quicker... starting with less cranking....

they were particually good on the bigger engines with higher compression when hot.... lots of these engines suffered from "heat lock " on the starters from the combination of high comrpession and the starter being heat-soaked... take that in to account with the low pressure fuel systems where you could boil the gas in the gas line ending up with a vapor lock on top....

double e my butt.... if you knew two cents worth about up draft/vaporlock/heatsoak and trying to usa a battery that over a year old ... cranking a half turn at a time due to lack of power,,, trying to pull 300 amps through an old wiring system...

then take the extreme cold where the fuel vaporization is none existant and heavier than air and try to suck that up a up-draft system ... with slower cranking, higher viscosity oil, and reduced power from the battery,,, the extra 2 volts will make it spin over nicely.... quickly... and deliver a good spark...

so for years... yes years... the 8 volt was the answer..... for many farmers and city folks alike ... but then 12 volts came along... further allowing power with reduced current..... so unless you want to convert it... 8 volts is an excellent way to go with only a regulator adjustment required....

no, it will not fix low compression, but will help start low compression where 6 volts will not...

yes you can convert it to 12 volts with great results but you have to change out all much more... or simply run 8 volts with a regulator change....

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duey

05-11-2006 15:36:33




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 Re: 8 volt battery in reply to R. Kombloski, 05-11-2006 04:00:37  
So there it is, you have bumped into a sensitive subject... and you're pretty much back where you started.... wondering.

(I'm just glad you didn't ask which way to vote next time... HA HA!)

For the record, I'm perfectly happy with my 12 volt system, and if it is described as a BandAid, as some do, that doesn't affect my happiness.

Your tractor, your call. Which ever way you go, it is hard to find sympathy for 8 volt problems, if you have them.

What do YOU want to do? duey

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souNdguy

05-11-2006 12:36:44




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 Re: 8 volt battery in reply to R. Kombloski, 05-11-2006 04:00:37  
I agree with the others.. stay 6v or go 12v.. forget 8v. No way to get a good resistor 9 easilly ) for a sidem ount coil on 8v.. though there is a way to make the front mount coil work.. etc. )


Soundguy



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1chano

05-11-2006 11:46:16




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 Re: 8 volt battery in reply to R. Kombloski, 05-11-2006 04:00:37  
I went from an 8 volt battery back to 6 volt, and cleaned all the wire connections. In my opinion the 6 volt battery started the 2n just as good as the 8 volt.So I would say stay with the 6 volt battery. I bought the workaholic deep cycle battery from a mom&pop tractor store.



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old

05-11-2006 09:47:00




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 Re: 8 volt battery in reply to R. Kombloski, 05-11-2006 04:00:37  
At best an 8 volt battery is a bandade fix for other problem. To use one you have to adjust the chargeing system to put out 8 plus volts and its next to impossiable to find a charger to charge one up. Me I do one of 2 things. Use the 6 volt battery or switch it over to 12 volts and be done with it. Only reason for an 8 volt battery is to get it to spin over faster and if all was correct then you shouldn't need one in the first place.

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Ken Crisman

05-11-2006 05:07:12




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 Re: 8 volt battery in reply to R. Kombloski, 05-11-2006 04:00:37  
I disagree with the other fellow . My 640 was not giving me any problems about 6 yrs ago until I just needed a new battery ( they do go bad ). I had heard about an auto parts store about 1/2 hr away having great batteries for old tractors . Here was this little old widow lady keeping her decsaed husbands store going . She talked me into an 8 volt . Well sure enough , she knew what she was saying . She advised me to take my generator , starter , & voltage regulator into a reliable auto electrical repair shop & have eerything cleaned & checked over good . Then she told me to make sure they tweak the voltage regulator .That's means simply to bend a tab inside so it puts 8 volts back to the battery or it won't recharge enough . Make sure you clean all 4 cable contacts .Man oh man , that bugger starts so much faster & my lights are so much brighter . That 8 v lasted over 5 yrs before I had to change it . Those new big auto stores don't know what you talk about , so find an old auto parts store because they are the ones who really want & need your business . Or ask your local auto electrical repair shop to get you one .My last couple words of advice is : go for it . Ken

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uh . . . Dell (WA)

05-11-2006 10:04:48




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 Re: 8 volt battery in reply to Ken Crisman, 05-11-2006 05:07:12  
Ken..... ...while yer antidotal recommendation of an 8-volt battery is interesting ITS FLAWED. It shows a complete lack of understanding of N-Tractor electrical systems. The only thing they have in common is the name Ford.

The 640 genny/V-R is DIFFERENT from the 8N's genny/V-R which is DIFFERENT from the 1-wire 3rd-brush genny of the 9N/2N with cutt-outt relay. Which is DIFFERENT from OTHER COLOR tractors electrical systems.

At best, the 8-volt battery "trick" is a band-aide for sick engine (low compression, hard starting) or sick electrical system (rusty grounds and dirty-worn brushes). And yes, to ears used to the whirr of modern 12-volt sewing machine starter motors, the SLOOooow rump, rump of the 6-volt N-Starter is disconcerting and indicative of poor electrical system. (its not, its yer ears)

Remember the 6-volt MANTRA: "keep'em clean, brite'n'tite"; and don't be fer using enny wimpy ferrin made 12-volt starter cables. Use 'arry chested 'mericum made one-ought (1/0) thick as yer thumb battery cables..... ...respectfully, Dell

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guest

05-11-2006 06:27:47




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 Re: 8 volt battery in reply to Ken Crisman, 05-11-2006 05:07:12  
"She advised me to take my generator , starter , & voltage regulator into a reliable auto electrical repair shop & have eerything cleaned & checked over good "

Sounds like she solved your problem.....



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DavidO

05-11-2006 04:29:41




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 Re: 8 volt battery in reply to R. Kombloski, 05-11-2006 04:00:37  
As a long time EE and electronics instructor, long time "mechanic" and N tractor owner and user, it is my considered opinion that an 8 volt battery for your 9 N is a BAD idea. Tell us what is wrong and let us help you fix it. The 8 volt battery is a "defect" not a "fix".



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