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oldsettlerswood

05-23-2006 08:55:19




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Hello all! I have really enjoyed this site and all the great info. I need some advice. I am looking for a Ford to use on 10 ac. we just bought. Some mowing and pull a small wagon for brush, firewood, etc. A friend who owns a golf course has a 9n for sale...from what I can read on ser# I think 1941. He has 3 Fords and uses them to mow and pick up golf balls. This one has been well maintained and runs good, but now it won't go into gear. When you easily let out on the clutch it will begin to make a clinking noise like it is hitting on something. When you put it in reverse it will push back a bit but seem to be stuck. I think I can get this tractor for $500-700. The reason he doesn't fix it is he is trying to retire and sell out and he said he really only needs two tractors anyway. He said he doesn't really want another project. Does anyone have any insight as to what the problem might be and how hard to fix. I know that is a broad question. How big of a job would it be to split the tractor to get to the transmission, and are transmission parts still available? I know this is a weird question for a woman....but I have a lot of my farming grandfather in me and I really enjoy tinkering with things. This one is kind of ugly...needs a paint job...but, I'm growing more attatched each day as I drive by. Any insight you all could give would be great! Thanks!!!

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oldsettlerswood

05-23-2006 13:48:25




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 Re: 9n Transmission question in reply to oldsettlerswood, 05-23-2006 08:55:19  
Well, I"ve been debating on this for a week now...I went by there this evening....it wasn"t in it"s usual spot. I guess an older gentleman bought it. Bummer....I guess it wasn"t meant to be. Now you guys have me wondering if I should hold out for something with live PTO. No hills where I live....just flat farm ground but my property is wooded with some open areas at the front. My plan was to get a very basic machine that I could learn with as far as maintaining it...then later move up to something that could be more complex. Which model would I have to move up to to get live pto and the ability to use a front loader if I wanted one? Husband would like a new compact Deere....but I don"t really want the payments! Plus, I just don"t get the impression that the new ones are quite as sturdy as the older tractors. Thanks for everyone"s info.

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TheOldHokie

05-24-2006 06:01:30




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 Re: 9n Transmission question in reply to oldsettlerswood, 05-23-2006 13:48:25  
Well payments aside I'd side with your husband if the question is utility and reliabilty over nostalgia.

A new 18-20HP JD (or Kubota) compact will way outperform any N series tractor with the possible exception of serious plowing (probably no draft control). Live hydraulics, quality brakes, PS, good usable gearing, etc, make them vastly easier and safer to use. A live PTO is nice but live hydraulics is way more important IMHO.

As for "sturdiness" I've found the compacts to be every bit as sturdy as an N, especially the 4WD models. They are more complex machines which means more things to maintain but they are very well built. A NEW machine will be virtually trouble free for the next 20+ years if properly maintained and not abused. I've got a 25 year old 4WD Kubota compact loader tractor with 2000+ hours on the original engine and it's still going strong. I purchased it with 600 hours on it for $6500 almost 20 years ago. I paid $2000 for my 9N about the same time and I've put 5X more money into the N than the Kubota. In fairness the N is 30 years older but quite simply it is no more well built.

OTOH the compacts are, well, compacts. Even a small 10AC operation is likely to tax a 1800# machine on some chores. For example my Kubota loader maxes out at 600#. That's a bit anemic and I'm definitly in the market for a bigger machine with more beef (30-35HP/3000#). My advice to you would be shop the used tractor market in that size range for something built in the last 20-25 years. A used MF/IH/JD/Kubota/Ford w/loader. PS and a hydrostatic or shuttle shift transmission is a serious plus for loader work.

YMMV,

TOH

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Jim.UT

05-23-2006 14:08:58




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 Re: 9n Transmission question in reply to oldsettlerswood, 05-23-2006 13:48:25  
I always buy them if I can find them at that price. If they cannot be fixed at a reasonable cost you can triple your money parting them out...every time.

However, you missed that opportunity so I'll address you follow up questions. Live pto is very nice, but lots of us get by without it. I use my Ford 850 (bigger than a 9N) to bale hay and I don't have live pto. To me, baling hay would be the most useful reason to have live pto. Buying small, learning as you go and then moving up sounds like a reasonable approach. A 9N or 8N will always have a use on your place even after you've bought a bigger, nicer tractor.

The first year live pto became available was in 1955 with the "hundred" series. Ford introduced four different series that year (600, 700, 800, 900) with more than one model available in each series except the 700 series which was only available as a 740. In the other series, live pto was installed on all models that had a 6 in the middle of the model number (660, 860, 960).

Live hydraulics was a feature that became available 2 years earlier with the NAA/Golden Jubilee. Some people confuse live hydraulics with live pto, or they just say "live power" without specifically explaining what they mean. If a seller tells you it has "live power", ask more questions to see what exactly he means by that. If his explanation seems to indicate live pto, check the model number. If it doesn't have a 6 in the middle, the seller is telling you stories, or he just doesn't know.

ALL Ford tractors have live hydraulics starting in 1953. The N's do not have live hydraulics or live pto.

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oldsettlerswood

05-23-2006 14:22:28




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 Re: 9n Transmission question in reply to Jim.UT, 05-23-2006 14:08:58  
Jim. That was a much simpler explanation than I got from the Ford tractor book I picked up at the library! I also got several books on restoring tractors. I'm a sort of information junkie. I stopped by to pump my grandpa for information too. He let me know about getting an overriding clutch. He's not been feeling well lately. He's in his 80's. It's nice to be able to talk with him about things he's passionate about.

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Jim.UT

05-23-2006 15:01:29




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 Re: 9n Transmission question in reply to oldsettlerswood, 05-23-2006 14:22:28  
Yep, on over-riding clutch, aka over-riding coupler, aka ORC is ESSENTIAL on a tractor without live pto when using implement such as a bush-hog style rotary mower. The inertia in those spinning blades is enough to drive the pto shaft which in turn drives your transmission which in turn drives your rear wheels even if you have the clutch pedal pushed to the floorboard. The result can be a wiped out fence, dented car door, dented tractor, angry operator, etc.

I get away with not having an ORC because the only pto inplement that I use with that much energy is my hay baler and it has it's own ORC built in. In reality I should probably get an ORC anyway just in case the baler's slip clutch ever locks up.

BTW, if that 9N becomes available again, I have a 9N transmission sitting in the back yard if you need any parts.

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TheOldHokie

05-23-2006 11:54:09




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 Re: 9n Transmission question in reply to oldsettlerswood, 05-23-2006 08:55:19  
At $700 very reasonable. At double that to get it working reliably maybe not so enticing. If you're 10ac is hilly look for a different machine.

JMHO,

TOH



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D Thomas

05-23-2006 11:17:39




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 Re: 9n Transmission question in reply to oldsettlerswood, 05-23-2006 08:55:19  
Welcome and if you get the N welcome to the N world. I have never done any mechanicing in my life until I got my 8N. Simple things I was semi ok with. Then other bigger things (engine timing gear, transmission, and ring and pinion) scared me-but once I got in there and saw how simple the tractor is made I was ok. So far I have found out that a few simple tools, jacks, and rope hoist(if you don't have any body to help) is about all needed to tear into one of the N's. So I'll say since you have the interest and the will already to try it go for it. And yes parts can be obtained pretty easiely from web sites and tractor salvage yards. Keep in mind that the N you are looking at is 61 years old. As with all old things they seem to require alot of tinkering/repairing. As with me just when you think all is repaired-bam-there is somehting else. So it can get aggrivating if you do not have the patience to tollerate and repair. Been there and almost gave up several times and bought something newer. But now glad I didn't. It's fun to work on and learn from. Also you mentioned that you would be mowing with this tractor. Keep in mind that this model only has draft control on the lift and not position and draft like on the 8n and others. Which means you have up or down on the lift-no in between. To be able to mow youd have to use chaines or other gizmos to hold the mower at a certain level. And also you'd need an over ride clutch for the pto shaft since the N does not have a live pto(which means in order for the lift to work the pto must be turning since they are both driven off of the pto turning.). Which also means if you were mowing and tried to stop, the force of the mower will continue to turn the pto which will keep the tractor going forward even if the clutch is pressed down. So with the over ride couple on, it will prevent this from happening but will not eliminate the pto having to be engaged to use the lift. Sorry for going into all this but I wanted to let you know before you do the purchasing and not afterward. To give you a little idea first. If you need more info later here is the place with the people with the know how. As far as ugly-I like ugly tractors. I keep all my equiptment well painted up but for some reason I can't put new paint on the tractor. I like her like she is.

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OH Boy

05-23-2006 10:07:04




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 Re: 9n Transmission question in reply to oldsettlerswood, 05-23-2006 08:55:19  
Sounds like maybe it is stuck in two gears at once.

It might be fixed by taking steering column off the top of the transmission and detrermine which shifter fork is out of place.

If there are broken parts in there it will definitely need to be split and disassembled.
If you can get this tractor for $500-$700 it should be a good deal for yoiu even if it does cost a few $ to repair tranny.



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