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8N clutch, PTO and lift quit working overnight

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RodC

05-24-2006 06:51:08




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hi guys, appreciate any help

1952 8N, was running fine, set for 2 days, now, clutch, PTO and hydraulics all fail, I put block on clutch overnight, started in gear and drove in 1st for short time, still no change.
all ideas are welcome.
thanks
Rod




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RodC

05-25-2006 11:29:07




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 Re: 8N clutch, PTO and lift quit working overnight in reply to RodC, 05-24-2006 06:51:08  

Dell, I owe you an apology, I did forget something, I put a PTO clutch on when I parked the tractor and forgot about it, the grease fitting was too tight and held the PTO from moving, it works now with the lift.
The clutch is still stuck, still working on it.
Rod



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RodC

05-24-2006 14:33:31




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 Re: 8N clutch, PTO and lift quit working overnight in reply to RodC, 05-24-2006 06:51:08  
Zane
my thoughts were that the clutch and PTO and lift were not connected to where they all stop at once, still, that is exactly as I see it with my un experienced eyes..
thanks
rod



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ZANE

05-24-2006 13:11:00




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 Re: 8N clutch, PTO and lift quit working overnight in reply to RodC, 05-24-2006 06:51:08  
The lift and the PTO should still work even if the clutch is stuck to the flywheel. Try putting the PTO in gear before starting the tractor in neutral and the lift and PTO should work.

If the clutch is indeed stuck there are several ways to un-stick it all of which are dangerous.

Sometimes it takes breaking the tractor to fix it.

Sometimes you can have the same symptoms as a stuck clutch if the pressure plate has something wrong with it such as a loose release finger or a pin mission from one of the release fingers etc.

No need to remove the front end at all.

Put something under the oil pan like a small bottle jack or small floor jack and then hook a chain hoist to the center of the steering wheel, Support the clutch housing with a floor jack that can be rolled back with the rear of the tractor. Remove the bolts from the steering box where it is bolted to the clutch housing. Remove the bolts from around the Engine to clutch housing. Take up on the chain hoist at the steering wheel to support the hood and steering column and if everything is loose roll the rear back till the pilot shaft is clear of the clutch disc and let the clutch housing down enough to get by the steering box and then roll it all the way back till you have room to remove the pressure plate.

I have many times been able to unstuck a clutch by tying the clutch pedal down and then getting it out on the road in fourth gear and jumping up and down on one or the other brake. You can start it in gear by shorting the starter solenoid small wire to ground while in the seat and ready to go in a direction that you will not be likely to run into something.
You will need to do some truck driver gear shifting to get it into high gear but it can be done by manipulating the throttle on a level road while shifting. Don’t force the shifter though. If you can’t get it back into high gear let it come to a halt and start again. You don’t’ want to add insult to injury by breaking something in the transmission.

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rodc

05-24-2006 11:36:13




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 Re: 8N clutch, PTO and lift quit working overnight in reply to RodC, 05-24-2006 06:51:08  
O.K. but where is and how do you operate the Sherman Overdrive?



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Dell (WA)

05-24-2006 11:47:25




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 Re: 8N clutch, PTO and lift quit working overnight in reply to rodc, 05-24-2006 11:36:13  
Rod..... ...the dealer installed auxillary tranny shifter lever is over yer left toe. Foward for low range, aft for high range. Middle notch is (are you ready for this?) neutral. Wannna guess what neutral does to yer main trannny and PTO?..... ..respectfully, Dell



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RodC

05-24-2006 11:54:55




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 Re: 8N clutch, PTO and lift quit working overnight in reply to Dell (WA), 05-24-2006 11:47:25  
Dell
thanks for the reply, I just looked to be sure, but no shift lever, so no Sherman tranny...whats Next?
block is still on the clutch with no change
thanks again
Rod



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Dell (WA)

05-24-2006 12:25:26




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 Re: 8N clutch, PTO and lift quit working overnight in reply to RodC, 05-24-2006 11:54:55  
Rod..... ...iff'n you can gitter started in gear as you claim, then starter again and drive itt and STOMP on yer BRAKES to "shock" the clutch which seems to have "frozen" to yer flywheel. This will frequently break the rusty hold.

I suspect there is more to the story than you are telling us..... ....Dell



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rodc

05-24-2006 12:38:51




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 Re: 8N clutch, PTO and lift quit working overnight in reply to Dell (WA), 05-24-2006 12:25:26  
Dell
I will try stomping the brakes again for longer period, I'm having to force it in gear at a low idle to drive it, this tractor is new to me, about a week, it has had no problem with the clutch before, the lift was fast and seemed to work well, I parked it and left it for maybe 2-3 days next to the '49 you guys helped with(got the '52 to replace the '49) and when I came back the clutch, pto and lift will not work, if thers anything I'm not telling, its 'cause I dont know...LOL thanks Dell
Rod

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Ultradog MN

05-24-2006 07:09:00




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 Re: 8N clutch, PTO and lift quit working overnight in reply to RodC, 05-24-2006 06:51:08  
Just a thought...
I had a sherman OD on my 8N. Everything quit working just like yours. Thought I had to replace the clutch. Then I noticed the sherman was in neutral. DUHH



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LeeMo

05-24-2006 09:36:13




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 Re: 8N clutch, PTO and lift quit working overnight in reply to Ultradog MN, 05-24-2006 07:09:00  
Me too, Ultradog.....boy did I feel like a dummy.....



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