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OT, Climate in Texas and SW.

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Ole Country Boy

05-26-2006 09:24:19




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OT I know, but weather does effect us all. Of interest to Texas primarily but really anybody that lives on the land and cares about these things. It was so dry last year that we did not even try to mow the acreage over at the folks house for fear of starting a field fire. Now is the time to do it, while things are still green and my brother and I are on that project now.

After we spend last year in severe fire danger down here in Texas and I spent $$$ watering the yard I am starting to look for a service to come out and take a look at my unused well. It used to work but has not in over 15 years. Thinking I might just have the pump pulled, deepen the well if needed and put in a new pump and pressure tank and use it for watering the yard and garden and trees just to keep them alive and help protect my place in case of wild fires. Our volunteer fire department is, well, it could be better to say the least, but, they have never lost a house foundation.

What got me started thinking this was I went to the Climate Prediction Center and did some research after listening to the talking heads on the evening news. NOAA has some good links, if you have never explored them. I will paste the link and the short text here for your reading and possible research for your area.

Latest Seasonal Assessment - Scattered heavy showers eased the fire danger over Florida in mid-May, and the Drought Outlook calls for more improvement as the thunderstorm season gets underway during late May and June. Drought areas in the Carolinas and along the Gulf Coast are also likely to see improvement. In contrast, hot, dry weather is expected to contribute to persisting or worsening drought over the High Plains from Texas to Wyoming near the beginning of the outlook period. Although the forecast for June-August does not show a strong indication for below-normal rainfall in the Plains, it appears that the drought will largely persist well into summer. The odds for improvement increase farther east, and some additional relief is anticipated from eastern Oklahoma into Missouri. In the Southwest, where the near-failure of the winter rain and snow season resulted in severe to extreme drought over much of Arizona and New Mexico, the summer monsoon rains in July and August will reduce the fire danger, although reservoir levels may continue to drop. The best odds for short-term drought relief extend from southern Arizona into New Mexico.
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gahorN

05-26-2006 22:29:32




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 Re: OT, Climate in Texas and SW. in reply to Ole Country Boy, 05-26-2006 09:24:19  
HVW... I had a field near Bryan Tx that we tried to grow St. Augustine in and never had any success due to excess shade. St. Aug requires lots of sun, is not traffic tolerant, and sucks up water and 13/13/13.



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hvw

05-26-2006 12:04:44




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 Re: OT, Climate in Texas and SW. in reply to Ole Country Boy, 05-26-2006 09:24:19  
We've had a series of droughts in georgia over the years. I could not understand how the big oaks can survive almost a year without significant rain. It's amazing. They seem to die in the second year if things don't get better. I imagine they could tell some weather stories from years ago.

Meanwhile, I ordered some St Augustine sod from Florida a month ago. Every week they call to tell me it's rained so much they can't cut it that week. And in Orlando my mother complains because there's no rain.

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chris cogburn

05-26-2006 13:48:57




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 Re: OT, Climate in Texas and SW. in reply to hvw, 05-26-2006 12:04:44  
I'm off that St. Augustine stuff. I don't like the way it feels, the way it sucks water, and the way it dies in the winter (Texas winter at that). It doesn't like foot traffic either, since the runners go on TOP of the ground instead of IN the ground like other 'running' grasses. We sodded our side yard with 'Palisades Zoysia' last winter and it is doing fan-freakin'-tastic. We have large trees, pruned high, so there's shade but not deep shade. Watered it real well while it got established, and it looked pretty lame until the growing season started. But now, it is the envy of the neighborhood, I kid you not. It is fine-leaved and soft, unlike those big scratchy Auggie blades.

I grew up in Montgomery, and cut what seemed like a million acres of Common and Tifton Bermuda. Back then Zoysia was really only good for full sun. Now there's enough hybrids to handle any situation. Before you take the plunge on that St. Auggie, check out the Zoysia hybrids at a good turfgrass place.

If you have FULL sun and don't want to water, look into the Buffalo Grass hybrids. They thrive in FULL SUN and ALMOST NO WATER. Great for semi-arid places like Central Texas; Georgia may be a bit damp for Buff unless you've got good drainage and full sun. Seed is cheap BUT you'll get male and female plants; the males grow taller and flower. Sod is all-female but obviously $$$.

c.

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murn-ga

05-26-2006 14:56:15




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 Re: OT, Climate in Texas and SW. in reply to chris cogburn, 05-26-2006 13:48:57  
I planted sprigs of Zoysia on a trouble spot about 15 years ago and now it has spread ever where.You can't keep it out of flower beds and goes dormant in Nov. and becomes a fire hazard. Don't know the type but round up is the only way to rid yourself of it short of digging it up.



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hvw

05-26-2006 14:14:45




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 Re: OT, Climate in Texas and SW. in reply to chris cogburn, 05-26-2006 13:48:57  
I know what you mean about St Agustine but we have almost fulltime shade here. Couple of spots get a few hours of sun. Water isn't a problem. We have plenty of it. Everyone felt it was the only thing that would have a chance. Foot traffic does it in for sure and so does too much water running over it. So far we've tried everything but zoyzia with zero success. If this won't do it I'm going back natural. Lot of folks around here are cutting trees so grass will grow but I don't want to give up the shade for grass. It would certainly look better though.

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chris cogburn

05-31-2006 12:50:43




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 Re: OT, Climate in Texas and SW. in reply to hvw, 05-26-2006 14:14:45  
Here's another idea for your shady areas: dwarf mondo grass. Remember that monkey grass everybody used to use for borders? This ain't that junk. Mondo grass is dark green and lush, and not invasive; that monkey grass was impossible to get rid of! Dwarf (and regular) monda grass makes a great ground cover in shady areas, and takes little maintenance: in the winter just mow it once on a your highest setting, and it'll come back thick and strong in the spring. It grew GREAT in a full-shaded bed in Houston.

Make sure you get the DWARF variety; the regular stuff can grow pretty tall.

Good Luck!

c.

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FarmerDawn

05-26-2006 17:05:05




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 Re: OT, Climate in Texas and SW. in reply to hvw, 05-26-2006 14:14:45  
I'm sure you've already thought of this, but another way to go is with a shade-tolerant ground-cover plant. Creeping thyme works beautifully for that kind of thing, although I don't know how much shade it can take or what you have there. (I know some is good, though.) It might be worth looking into if you haven't. If there's a native plant nursery near you, they would probably have some great ideas, and the plants wouldn't use much water, either. (Well, creeping thyme does, but a native plant wouldn't.) Just a thought. --Dawn

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chris cogburn

05-26-2006 09:52:20




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 Re: OT, Climate in Texas and SW. in reply to Ole Country Boy, 05-26-2006 09:24:19  
Yeah, we've had it pretty bad around here. Our pond is down at least three feet; the previous owner said he's never seen it this low. Recent storms helped a little, but we need a lot more to get back to 'normal'.

I put a vertical exhaust on the NAA for the very reason you mentioned; a hot exhaust down low could touch off a grass fire in a hurry. I like the look too.

Even when cedar (actually ashe juniper) is green, it burns like gasoline. Once it's dry, it goes off like rocket fuel. Somebody oughta figure a way to use cedar brush as fuel for power plants or cement kilns; we've got PLENTY, and the trees are water hogs besides. Plains grasses are the natural flora for central Texas, those dang cedars (and mesquite, another pest) are water-sucking interlopers...

c.

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FarmerDawn

05-26-2006 10:13:04




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 Re: OT, Climate in Texas and SW. in reply to chris cogburn, 05-26-2006 09:52:20  
Hey, could you post some photos showing how you rigged up that vertical exhaust. I'd like to do something like that on my 8N. Great idea!!

Thanks for the climate link, Old Country Boy. People here have said it's a lot drier than it used to be 25 or 30 years ago, and I only recently understood what they meant -- when I worked my way down and across a little valley where now there is a tiny (I mean TINY) creek, and where there are unbelievable numbers of huge cottonwood trunks that were clearly carried and deposited by floodwaters from previous winter snows. That spoke volumes. A friend of mine does climate research out of the Flagstaff USGS office, and I had the reverse sort of experience with her -- she was telling me about collecting snowpack data and how the year before last (I think it was), there was NO snow at all. When I told her the year I had lived there we had 220" she was shocked! Of course, that was in 1972-73, but basically she experienced the same thing about that area that I am just now experiencing about this one -- realizing how MUCH change there has really been in the last 30 years.

Dawn

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chris cogburn

05-26-2006 11:24:37




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 Re: OT, Climate in Texas and SW. in reply to FarmerDawn, 05-26-2006 10:13:04  
Hey Dawn, I bought the vertical exhaust kit from the YT shop, and it fit perfectly. Mine's a Jubilee so it's a bit different, but the kit included everything I needed and then some. I painted the whole thing with silver high-temp paint and let it dry a week or so (according to the painting instructions), then just removed the old exhaust (just? oh yeah, those rusted-up bolts were a snap. My Aunt Fanny!) and clamped the new one in place. The only thing I haven't done yet is attach the little bracket from the muffler clamp to the sheetmetal, so the whole affair really just hangs from the exhaust elbow right now. Since it's not a long pipe like the regular setup, it seems pretty sturdy. It doesn't rattle or shake.
I should put a flapper on top, but since it's stored under cover I'm not in a hurry. I have a Guinness beer can with the top cut out, that I drop over the exhaust to keep stuff out. I keep forgetting to take it off when I start her up though; it really launches that sucker!
If I can remember to take pics next time I'm out there I'll post. You'll be able to see the pond level too...

Happy Tractoring!

c.

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FarmerDawn

05-26-2006 11:49:30




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 Re: OT, Climate in Texas and SW. in reply to chris cogburn, 05-26-2006 11:24:37  
Thanks for the information!!!

Does it bolt onto the manifold in the same place the "regular" exhaust line attaches? (Like, could I do this as I'm putting the manifold back on after fixing everything?)

I have to say, that must be fun to see the can fly through the air! LOL

Dawn



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Chris N'Texas

05-26-2006 11:19:17




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 Re: OT, Climate in Texas and SW. in reply to FarmerDawn, 05-26-2006 10:13:04  
Ya but, talked to an old timer, he said this ain't nothing like the 50's when the hill country basically was burning for several years. I can remember seeing the burnt stumps in my dad's pasture when I was a kid. Some of the older weather forcasters say we go in 50 year drought cycles.



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