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Pooh Bear

05-28-2006 11:25:39




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Shouldn"t this have a 3 hole doo-dad or something.

It"s never been a problem the way it is.
But I recently got a sickle bar mower.
And it hooks to another bracket that hooks to the 3 hole doo-dad.
So is this right in this picture.
Or should I have the 3 hole doo-dad.

I don"t have the special bracket for the SBM.
So I"m gonna have to farmerize something to hook it to.

Thanks.

Pooh Bear

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ZANE

05-29-2006 05:25:13




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 Re: What is missing in this picture in reply to Pooh Bear, 05-28-2006 11:25:39  
The only thing that the three holer is good for is bending the internal linkage of the lift. It was designed to be used strictly with light draft equipment. Mainly the row crop cultivator that is light draft and when in the bottom hole is not very responsive to differences in draft of the implement.

Trouble with it is if you hang a rock or stump etc it will have too much leverage on the big draft sensing spring and the resulting shock to the internal linkage will bend something inside. Usually just the draft rod at the junction of the offset dog leg in it but sometimes it can even bend the control rod itself.

The Ferguson system lift linkage could not be bent in such a way as it has designs to prevent this happening. Same as the 9N/2N was before Henry decided Harry was making too much money off his invention and decided to steal it. Which he suceeded in doing.

Zane

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Kelly Jewell (KY)

05-28-2006 17:53:54




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 Re: What is missing in this picture in reply to Pooh Bear, 05-28-2006 11:25:39  
Pooh Bear, I don't think it took 10 years for Harry Ferguson and Henry Ford to say they needed to make a change to the draft control for lighter equipment. The dealership where I worked always said use the lower hole no matter what. If you will do some home work, I think you will find that the 535 rocker change was due to the court battle bewteen Henry and Harry. The court ordered a change in the 3 point attachment and the 535 rocker was the easiest to change. You don't need any more holes.....Kelly.

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james sullivan

05-28-2006 17:21:04




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 Re: What is missing in this picture in reply to Pooh Bear, 05-28-2006 11:25:39  
help i need info on installing my sickle bar onto my 48 8n i just picked it up today is there any info on discriptions, models, installation? this sbm came off a 50 something 8n and my 48 8n has a side mount handle

any help would be great

jimmy



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Pooh Bear

05-28-2006 19:04:11




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 Re: What is missing in this picture in reply to james sullivan, 05-28-2006 17:21:04  
Jimmy, I found a site with a bunch of manuals.
I found the complete manuals for mine.
These manuals are the best written manuals I have ever seen.
You can download the manual pages right to your computer.
And the best thing is it is free.

For some reason I can"t seem to post the link.
So I guess you will have to email me for it.

Pooh Bear



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Paul in MN

05-28-2006 12:01:02




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 Re: What is missing in this picture in reply to Pooh Bear, 05-28-2006 11:25:39  
PB,

When I got my sickle bar mower (years ago), it did not have the special bracket either. So I made one.

If you can find one on another tractor, and buy it, then life is easy. But if your luck runs like mine, then the quickest way to success is to fab up your own. Here is my receipe:

Take 2 pieces of 3/8" x 2" flat stock about 6" long and drill a hole at the end that will let the long chain fitted pin go through (probably 7/8" diam holes). The holes need to be located just slightly off center so that the new link pieces will fit tightly in the grooves of the rear end casting. These links need to fit a bit snug to the base of your top link mounting where the approx 12" long pin goes through. Put the 2 links in place and hold temporarily. Cut another piece of the 3/8" flat stock about 4" long so that it can sit on the rear edges of the 2 links, and weld the 3 pieces together like a letter "H". Drill 2 more holes (same size as at the top of the H) near the bottom, approx 3.5" on center from the top holes. This is where you will attach the top link of the SBM with a top link pin. The cross piece of the H gives rigidness to the adapter, without it it's just too floppy. The official adapter even has 2 large set screws that make it more rigid to the rear end casting.

What I just described worked well for many years, and enabled me to cut a lot of hay with the 8N SBM.

Good Luck!

Paul in MN

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Pooh Bear

05-28-2006 19:26:28




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 Re: What is missing in this picture in reply to Paul in MN, 05-28-2006 12:01:02  
I found pictures of the brackets that had just been sold on ebay.
They look real easy to make up something that will work.

That one linkage mite give me problems.
Supposed to have one stabilizer bar on one side
that will "break away" if you hit an obstacle.
The sickle bar will just swing back out of the way.
Then it should reset itself just by backing up.
Don"t know how I could rig up a break-away stabilizer
bar. Mite just have to be extra careful around obstacles.

Pooh Bear

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Paul in MN

05-28-2006 22:05:37




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 Re: What is missing in this picture in reply to Pooh Bear, 05-28-2006 19:26:28  
Poo,

I would think that the SBM has that link that goes forward beneath the right fender. The link is about 3 ft long, like round pipe with a bracket casting that gets connected to the stablizer bracket held on by the fender bolts. The magic is inside of the casting on the pipe. There is a spring and ball that seats in a partially drilled hole in the pipe. When the SBM hits an immovable object the ball pops out of the indent and the SBM is able to pivot back to about a 45 deg angle. You definitely need this part or else the mower will not stay with the hitch arms, but will always drag back at some angle. If somebody has modified the SBM so that it does not need this link, and can not "break back", then get rid of the whole thing. You can not safely mow without the break away feature. If you hit a big rock or stump, the front of the tractor will be pulled around unexpectedly and out of control, maybe tragically. Other than the belt guard (probably missing), this break away link is the only safety feature this mower had, and it absolutely has to have it!

Paul in MN

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Pooh Bear

05-28-2006 22:53:11




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 Re: What is missing in this picture in reply to Paul in MN, 05-28-2006 22:05:37  
Well that mite not be too hard to rig up.
If it"s just a ball detent system.
Even I could make that.

I saw the linkage but I didn"t understand how it worked.
Thanks for explaining it to me.

Pooh Bear



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old

05-28-2006 11:30:31




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 Re: What is missing in this picture in reply to Pooh Bear, 05-28-2006 11:25:39  
Ive seen both types on the Ns. Some have a 3 hole type and some have the single like yours is. It may have been some sort of option but I don't know for sure



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Dan

05-28-2006 11:29:24




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 Re: What is missing in this picture in reply to Pooh Bear, 05-28-2006 11:25:39  
Nope - that rocker is perfectly correct for the 9N/2N/ and early 8N tractors. It was not until the middle of the 8N production before they put out the three hole rockers for fine tuning draft implements. Won't hurt a thing the way it is, and won't hurt anything if you do not use ground engaging implements.

HTH,
Dan



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Pooh Bear

05-28-2006 11:44:37




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 Re: What is missing in this picture in reply to Dan, 05-28-2006 11:29:24  
I use a plow once, maybe twice a year for a tiny garden for my Dad.
I don"t use draft control. Lever stays up.
I have moved an enormous amount of dirt with my rear scoop.
I am still working on building a rear scraper blade.

But mostly I just mow the yard.

Mine is an early 1949 8N.
So that explains why it has the one hole bracket.

Thanks.

Pooh Bear



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FarmerDawn

05-28-2006 12:19:29




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 Re: What is missing in this picture in reply to Pooh Bear, 05-28-2006 11:44:37  
Hey, I am glad to hear you got your sickle bar mower! I remember when you were trying to decide whether or not to drive over to get it. Did you do that or pick it up in a truck? --Dawn



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Pooh Bear

05-28-2006 19:16:06




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 Re: What is missing in this picture in reply to FarmerDawn, 05-28-2006 12:19:29  
We went down and took another look at it
to see how heavy it mite could be and just decided
to take a trailer down there and wrestle it up
on the trailer. Laid some 4x4s down and slid it up
on the trailer. Still was hard work. That thing is
heavy. got it home and a neighbor came over with
his tractor and FEL and unloaded it for me.

Here are some pictures of it.

Pic1
Pic2
Pic3
Pic4
Pic5
Pic6

It has a 6 foot bar on it.
Dearborn Model # 14-67 Serial # 1299
Been trying to find out how old it is.
And can I still get parts for it.

Pooh Bear

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