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Ole Country Boy

06-05-2006 10:45:11




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Finally got the county extension agent on the phone today. Explained about my ongoing snake problem. He understood but did not have good explanation of why so many this year. Maybe related to the major road work going on near here, less than 1/4 mile. Said also he had hear of others experiencing a similar situation. Lot of oil/gas drilling going on in the area, unusual warm winter, mild spring, no real solid reason for more snakes.

He did suggest some products to run them off, but none of them work on all snakes. One in particular I am going to pick up today from local Lowe's is snake away I think name is, saw it last time, but did not buy it. Here again, major component is moth ball stuff. He also suggested the same ole thing, remove their food source, brush for hiding places, tall grass, etc etc. Already done that of course. Maybe I need to get more cats!! :-)

So, sounds like I am not alone with this issue so just fighting it and keep them gone. Still going to kill everyone I catch in my barn or patio or where ever. My neighbor had one in his front yard where his kids play and another one of some sort got squashed at the intersection.Neighbor the other way killed a big one in his kids swing&slide area. Just too many snakes.

Keep up the fight!!

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Bradley

06-06-2006 07:05:21




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 Re: OT, Snake help in reply to Ole Country Boy, 06-05-2006 10:45:11  
I live in S. Indiana. We have a few poison type snakes here, cotton mouth, rattlers, and copperheads.

I went on the web and found a picture of my snake. It was a black king snake. He's a good one.....and not dead.

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Brad



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gahorN

06-05-2006 21:51:16




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 Re: OT, Snake help in reply to Ole Country Boy, 06-05-2006 10:45:11  
How to identify any No. American snake that is poisonous:
1: Has a rattle on it's tail = kill it. (head is slightly triangular also)
2: Has markings across it's back shaped like "dumb-bells" or "barbells" which are tan/brown like dry oak-leaves = copperhead, kill it. (head is oval)
3: Dark-brown or black, nearly solid in color except for lighter-colored belly... opens it's mouth in a threatening manner, showing a very-white inner-mouth = water moccasin/"cottonmouth" - kill it. (this snake is very aggressive and will frequently approach you rather than run from you. Most other snakes will attempt to get away or, if cornered, simply coil up.)
4: Beautifully banded snake with red/yellow/black bands NOT running lengthwise but encircling the body = coral snake (small round head, very timid snake, not aggressive, but poisonous in a more peculiar way. It must attach itself to a small area of your body...like a small finger, etc., and ..chew awile. It does NOT have fangs, but has poisonous saliva which requires long-exposure to create injury. Note: The coral snake (red/yellow bands touching each other) appears very similar to another HARMLESS yet BENEFICIAL "king" snake (red/black bands touching each other separated by a yellow band). King snakes kill other snakes. The helpful rhyme is: red/yellow = kill a fellow.... red/black = friend of Jack. (However coral snakes, while having poisonous saliva, are actually not deadly in the traditional sense. Although their bite can cause severe pain and local tissue damage.) Coral snakes are small snakes, with small round heads, and are not aggressive. I carried one in my pocket when in elementary school all day, once, as a pet. Until the teacher caught me showing it off to other kids. She made me give it to the "science" teacher ...who promptly killed it out of ignorance.

No other snake (other than those mentioned above) are harmful in any way. (And one snake, which will attempt to fool you by acting aggressive, is actually quite a joker: The "puff-adder" or "hog-nosed" snake (named for it's distinctive little up-turned nose/nostrils) may actually make a "run" at you to attempt to frighten you away. It sometimes even coils up and "strikes" at you....with it's mouth tightly closed. (Ha!) If you touch it with a stick or attempt to handle it in any way, it's second line of defense is to play "dead" by rolling onto it's back and feigning death. If you roll it back onto it's belly....it'll promptly roll back over onto it's back so it can pretend some more. (grin) Snakes can be very beneficial: They eat mice/rats/insects and some even eat bats. Almost all of them (except cottonmouths) first line of defense is to try to run from you. It's a good idea to get a book or do some research to learn the potentially "harmful" ones (only four of them) so as to overcome your fear and to enjoy the benefits of the rest of them. Knowlege will set you free. Fear thrives on ignorance...whether it be snakes...or politics. ;Þ

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DrShadetree

06-05-2006 20:25:18




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 Re: OT, Snake help in reply to Ole Country Boy, 06-05-2006 10:45:11  
We don't have any poisonous snakes in my area here in North Dakota....we got worse....BADGERS!
They get about the size of a medium size dog, but a h$@# of alot meaner and will not hesitate to come after you.
And forget about the "short handle hoe", iffen your that close...your probly jist waitin for some help from a medical proffesional.

DrShadetree



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Jerry (AL)

06-05-2006 15:52:41




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 Re: OT, Snake help in reply to Ole Country Boy, 06-05-2006 10:45:11  
Probably don't want to get a pot bellied pig but believe or not, hogs will eat snakes like candy. It doesn't matter if they are poisonous or not. Pigs don't have many blood vessels near the surface so the snakes can't hurt them like they would a cat or a dog. I had a boss once that told me they had a serious problem up in KY with poisionous snakes and his dad fenced in the place and put some pigs on it and before long no more snakes. The hogs would fight over the snakes. House cats will get rid of them too but not the big ones.

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DadNToms 8N

06-05-2006 13:53:59




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 Re: OT, Snake help in reply to Ole Country Boy, 06-05-2006 10:45:11  
OCB,

I'm with you, when it comes to the house, barn, garage and immediate grounds around all, the only good snake is a dead one. We've been in our house 8 years, and have disposed of I guarantee 50 of them. The house was fairly well infested with mice when we moved in, once that was under control the numbers went down significantly but still too many for my taste. None so far this spring but I ran over one a mile up the road last week. Post back on the snake-away results.

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Russ SoCal

06-05-2006 13:18:04




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 Re: OT, Snake help in reply to Ole Country Boy, 06-05-2006 10:45:11  
OCB,
Probably about like us with rabbits and coyotes. A wet year is followed by a year with zillions of rabbits followed by a year with zillions of coyotes. Did you have a lot of mice last year?
Sure the construction will disturb them and you may be in their evacuation corridor. I figure I moved into the wildlife's area; they didn't move into mine. So, I leave them alone as much as possible. I think people should learn what's living in their area and at least understand how the critters fit in. I'm NOT advocating endangering a child.
The link is to a commercial snake repellent. Do a Yahoo or Google search for "snake repellent" or "snake control." See what you think.
Me? I have a couple cats. We get the occasional gopher snake, which is fine, but I've only seen one rattler in 14 years.
Russ

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Bradley

06-05-2006 12:16:41




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 Re: OT, Snake help in reply to Ole Country Boy, 06-05-2006 10:45:11  
I am afraid of snakes only because I can't identify the poison ones vs the non-poison ones.

I had a snake at the door of my pole barn Sunday morning. His front half was under the pole barn floor, so I didn't see his head. He was black, with some tan spots on each side. His back was solid black. I touched his tail, and he slithered under the barn. Can you identify?

Thanks
Brad



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FarmerDawn

06-05-2006 19:32:09




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 Re: OT, Snake help in reply to Bradley, 06-05-2006 12:16:41  
Brad, I can't think of any snake in North America that is poisonous and that is solid black on the back and has tan patches on the sides. So I think you're ok on that one. :-)

There are only 4 types of poisonous snakes in the U.S., and they don't all live in every place. Where do you live? It should be possible, based on that, to narrow down the field to which types are in your area. Then all you have to do is learn what those look like and you are all set. If what you see is not one of the poisonous type that are where you live, then you know it's a safe type. Let me know and I will help you with some links...

Dawn (who used to work in a museum public ed department and take snakes to schools for education programs)

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Bruce (VA)

06-05-2006 17:04:14




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 Re: OT, Snake help in reply to Bradley, 06-05-2006 12:16:41  
Depends on where you live.....it is a lot easier to identify the poisonous ones than the non-poisionous. I live in the part of VA where we only have one poisionous snake: the copperhead. If it's a copperhead, he is dead. All others go in peace.



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06-05-2006 13:28:50




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 Re: OT, Snake help in reply to Bradley, 06-05-2006 12:16:41  
any vib.....in ground will cause worms and snakes to come out ..use sulphur dont make a circle with it .....snakes wont cross it.



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