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PNR123

06-13-2006 04:39:54




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Supposing my '48 8N had the original PTO output shaft , what the heck would it be for diameter? 6 spline , _____ _____ . I bought a 6' finishing mower yesterday and the driveshaft for it is wayyyyy larger in diameter than what's on the tractor so I'm looking for an adapter which I have seen at our local farm/ranch supply store , but I need to know what I'm going from , any help would be greatly appreciated
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TheOldHokie

06-13-2006 04:53:14




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 Re: Very curious........... in reply to PNR123, 06-13-2006 04:39:54  
You need to get a good rule or a dial caliper and measure your PTO and the yoke on the shaft. Anyuhing else is pure speculation.

TOH



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uh . . . Dell (WA)

06-13-2006 09:47:03




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 Re: Very curious........... in reply to TheOldHokie, 06-13-2006 04:53:14  
VC..... ...the OEM PTO 6-spline was 1-1/8" and was re-STANDARDIZED to 1-3/8" in the 1960's by ASAE, (American Society of Agricultural Engineers) keepers of the 3-point specifications after Ford and Ferguson patents expired.

And while TOH, is correct that you can accurately measure the PTO's splined shaft with a dial-caliper, I'll bettcha yer nekkid eyeball is plenty accurate enuff. You doubt? Just hold yer thumb and finger up for an airgap of about 1-in, gottitt? Now widen-out yer airgap for an inaccurate 1-1/2" airgap.

Now that you've calibrated yer eyeball, go out and estimate yer 1" airgap and compare with yer PTO splines. Close? ya gotta 1-1/8 spline. Way too small? try yer 1-1/2" airgap and compare with yer PTO splines. Overfits? ya gotta 1-3/8 spline. See how precisionally accurate yer eyeball is? Simple, eh?..... ....Dell the eyeballer

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souNdguy

06-13-2006 05:25:35




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 Re: Very curious........... in reply to TheOldHokie, 06-13-2006 04:53:14  
It's deffinately -not- pure speculation.

The OEM pto shaft was 6 spline 1 1/8" The updated pto shaft is 6 spline 1 3/8"

He can change the shaft ( 15 minute / 4 bolt/ 100$ job ).

or

He can get a 1 1/8 fem to 1 3/8 male ORC

or

He can get the stamped insert to bushing his 1 1/8 up to 1 3/8

or

he can get a stub expander that slides over the 1 1/8 in much the same way the bushing does.. however it is longer and makes the 1 1/8 come up tot he same length, shoulder and width as a modern 1 3/8 shaft stub.

or

He can get a 1 1/8 yoke to fit his mower.

I vote for the orc or a new shaft and the orc.

Using an orc is not as critical on a finish mower.. but they never hurt on anything with any rotary inertia.

For finsih mowing.. the bushing and stub extender would work fine too.. It's rotary mowing and post hole augering that will eat that little bushing up ( anything with high or shock loads.. )

Soundguy

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TheOldHokie

06-14-2006 06:01:05




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 Re: Very curious........... in reply to souNdguy, 06-13-2006 05:25:35  
All true except for the speculation part.

TOH



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Mike S

06-13-2006 04:52:30




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 Re: Very curious........... in reply to PNR123, 06-13-2006 04:39:54  
The original PTO shaft was 1 1/8" diameter, sometime in the 50s the standard went to 1 3/8" diameter. Several options come to mind, 1, you can change your PTO shaft to the larger size, 2, you can buy an overrun coupler, which I recommend, that has a 1 1/8" input with 1 3/8" output. This might require that you shorten your driveshaft to the mower a bit. 3, get an insert that fits on your shaft and makes it big enough for a snug fit with the drive shaft. This is a temp fix and will not last too long. I have the original on my NAA and use the overrun coupler mentioned in 2 above. Has worked fine with both finish mowers and bushhogs.

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