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Wagner/Dearborn front loader removal -8N

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Model A Dave

06-13-2006 09:14:54




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I'd like some tips from folks who have removed the old Wagner/Dearborn front loader. I want to be able to remove and install easily by myself. Looks easy enough but I'm sure it's heavy so I'd probably need some rigging.




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Bob - MI

06-13-2006 15:46:26




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 Re: Wagner/Dearborn front loader removal -8N in reply to Model A Dave, 06-13-2006 09:14:54  
I use an a-frame from a wooden yard swing and a bottle jack. Drive the tractor under the a-frame, then tie a nylon strap from a boat winch to the cross bar of the loader. Put the bottle jack on top of the a-frame and loop strap over it and then tie the loose end to the loader. Pump the jack up and the strap will slip along over the jack as it raises the loader up. When off enough to clear the tractor, chain or strap the loader tightly to the a-frame and then let the jack down. You should then be able to back out from under the loader. Watch the hoses as you back out.

I don"t have a hoist or a winch so I had to think this one up. I have used it 3 or 4 times and it works ok.

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FarmerDawn

06-13-2006 14:23:42




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 Re: Wagner/Dearborn front loader removal -8N in reply to Model A Dave, 06-13-2006 09:14:54  
I am sprinkling holy water in your direction.

All I can say is that those hydraulic hoses are sneaky. They manage to get caught on things you would not think they could get caught on. Ditto for the front mounting bolts and pulley. As you start undoing things, walk around the whole shebang from time to time to see if it's all clear and not getting hung up.

And have lots of your "medication of choice" handy. Mine is chocolate, but I understand alcohol is more likely to keep some of the others on this forum from setting their tractor on fire in these kinds of situations. :-)

That said, everyone has a way easier time doing things than I do. (I am running for "Ms Mechanically Inept 2006"- the winner gets a set of Snap-On tools and comprehensive medical insurance...) So good luck, and you'll probably do it as a piece of cake!

Dawn

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Empennage

06-13-2006 18:01:48




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 Re: Wagner/Dearborn front loader removal -8N in reply to FarmerDawn, 06-13-2006 14:23:42  
Whoa Buddy! A set of Snap-on tools and Comp too?

I know I have a dress around here somewhere...I"m going to give you a run for your money Dawn!



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FarmerDawn

06-13-2006 18:44:55




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 Re: Wagner/Dearborn front loader removal -8N in reply to Empennage, 06-13-2006 18:01:48  
I hate to tell you this, Emp ol' buddy, but I think you are too "ept" to qualify. LOL I guess you could practice fumble-fingering though ... drop a bolt down inside a running engine's cylinder, hit your head on a cast iron bell housing hard enough to demonstrate why the word "bell" is in the name, etc. That could be worth watching. You don't have to wear a dress, though. The usual attire is overalls with at least 3 patches and one missing clip, a t-shirt from 1978, and bifocals. :-)

Dawn

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Empennage

06-13-2006 19:30:43




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 Re: Wagner/Dearborn front loader removal -8N in reply to FarmerDawn, 06-13-2006 18:44:55  
Gee...no bifocals... yet.

I did just pass my FAA 1st class medical today, complete with ECG. So I should be gainfully employed for another 6 months. (I'm always one medical away from a career change!) I do qualify for this contest, by the way. You see all those things you mentioned above? Yep...I've done them. Some day over a beer...er and chocolate..I'll show you the scars!

Did I mention that I'm dyslexic too? Five out of three people are now a days but I don't let any of that bother me.

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FarmerDawn

06-13-2006 19:49:46




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 Re: Wagner/Dearborn front loader removal -8N in reply to Empennage, 06-13-2006 19:30:43  
I take it the on-board computer does all the navigating equations? Or should I assume you came home from Basel via Capetown and Jakarta? (Scenic, but hard on fuel economy...)

I have to ask: are you sure you had dyslexia before you hit your head on the bell housing?



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Empennage

06-13-2006 20:02:28




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 Re: Wagner/Dearborn front loader removal -8N in reply to FarmerDawn, 06-13-2006 19:49:46  
Dawn, Dawn, Dawn..I buy you books and send you to school....I'm an old guy...All I need is a whiskey compass, a pot of coffee and a jar to..er..get rid of the coffee every hour and I'm good to go. Piece of cake.

One time I landed in Istanbul with the slat-flaps at half speed, TRU 1 out, the APU flamed out (left the #2 engine running for air in the cabin and electrics), my baggage door was broken and my main cabin door wouldn't come up.

Got some gas and headed out over Iran to Singapore. No problem.

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FarmerDawn

06-13-2006 20:08:27




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 Re: Wagner/Dearborn front loader removal -8N in reply to Empennage, 06-13-2006 20:02:28  
I seeeee....

So you lost your baggage over Istanbul and navigated by dead-reckoning and a compass made of a needle floating in a jar of, er, whiskey?

I'm not sure Syria poses any threat to you. It may be, however, that someone needs to warn Syria. ("Look out below! Incoming carry-ons!")



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Empennage

06-13-2006 20:14:55




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 Re: Wagner/Dearborn front loader removal -8N in reply to FarmerDawn, 06-13-2006 20:08:27  
See..Now your getting it. Not very Glamorous huh? Believe me, you could do my job easy.

Can you say, "Barkeep! whiskey for me, fresh horses for the men (or women, as the case may be)and a nights lodging". Feel free to switch out, "whiskey" with "Chocolate" if need be although it doesn't have the same effect. :)



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FarmerDawn

06-13-2006 20:19:40




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 Re: Wagner/Dearborn front loader removal -8N in reply to Empennage, 06-13-2006 20:14:55  
::Snort!:: Maybe for YOU it doesn't! But for me...? Ahhh.

Even my horse eats Milky Way Midnight. I have trained him well. Other reprobate, spoiled horses drink beer. Not Shadow. Let me try this:

"Barkeep! Chocolate for me and my horse! And luggage-proof hat armor for the people of Syria and Istanbul!"

Yeah, I could do that! :-)



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Empennage

06-13-2006 20:24:03




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 Re: Wagner/Dearborn front loader removal -8N in reply to FarmerDawn, 06-13-2006 20:19:40  
Cool!

A pilot is born! Maybe I should switch to chocolate?? Maybe I should go out to the barn and get some Bute??

My daughter did make chocolate chip cookies for me tonight and M*A*S*H is on!



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FarmerDawn

06-13-2006 20:29:29




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 Re: Wagner/Dearborn front loader removal -8N in reply to Empennage, 06-13-2006 20:24:03  
Boy, am I GLAD! Because that means you will stop typing so fast! LOL

Go watch MASH and eat cookies. Us old people need our sleep. :-)



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Empennage

06-13-2006 20:33:40




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 Re: Wagner/Dearborn front loader removal -8N in reply to FarmerDawn, 06-13-2006 20:29:29  
OK...I'm still on Basel time. For me its time to get up and muck stalls. *wink*



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FarmerDawn

06-13-2006 20:37:38




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 Re: Wagner/Dearborn front loader removal -8N in reply to Empennage, 06-13-2006 20:33:40  
LOL!!



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Jack-Illinois

06-13-2006 13:46:22




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 Re: Wagner/Dearborn front loader removal -8N in reply to Model A Dave, 06-13-2006 09:14:54  
I take mine off in the garage with one of Harbor Freight's 880 lb. electic hoists. Finding the balance point is the secret. Once off, I back my fold up trailer under it and lower it onto the trailer. I did put it on a metal skid pan once and could not get the skid pan back in the garage to put the loader on again. Had to take an engine hoist out in the white rock to get it installed on the tractor again. Now that was a real job - never again!!

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Empennage

06-13-2006 10:03:05




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 Re: Wagner/Dearborn front loader removal -8N in reply to Model A Dave, 06-13-2006 09:14:54  
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Find a good spot for it. I cleared an area that had easy access. As Bob said sink some solid posts into the ground that are wide enough to drive the tractor and loader through with a cross brace on top that is strong enough to support the back of the loader. It should be at least 3 feet higher than the highest point of the loader. Once you have this done drive the tractor through the opening. I would remove the bucket first. I put a jack under the bottom front (under the pump area). If you can, disconnect the pump from the shaft that goes to the crank shaft. Next take off your fenders (if they are mounted above the back support of the loader connected to your axle trumpets). Disconnect the 3 to 4 bolts that attach the front of the loader to the front of your tractor. You can use the jack to raise or lower the front of the loader (to ease the bolts out) and as the weight comes off the front of the tractor will rise up. Next, with the fenders off, set up some chains and come-a-longs from the back of the loader to your overhead brace...remember to leave room for the tractor and yourself to back out. Once the back of the loader is supported, disconnect the back of the loader from the axle trumpets and raise it high enough using the come-a-longs. Once the back is secured I blocked the front of the loader and removed the jack to make it secure as well. Then back out slowly and carefully and put the fenders back on. My shaft for my Vickers pump unscrewed from the crank pulley CLOCKWISE (Thank you Hobo!) Then I lowered the loader onto blocks.

When you"re done it looks like this.

Good luck.

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Bob

06-13-2006 09:18:19




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 Re: Wagner/Dearborn front loader removal -8N in reply to Model A Dave, 06-13-2006 09:14:54  
Put two poles in the ground, with a crossbar, and get a couple of chain hoists or come-alongs, and you can leave the loader hanging, and back away from it.



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