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Scott1ky

06-13-2006 09:45:01




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Has anyone here used TISCO paint? How does it compare (in quality) to TSC and Rustoleum paint? Which is the best? I realize that none of the paints I mentioned are as "good" as automotive paints like PPG or Dupont. I know that the higher priced automotive paints are going to be rated as higher quality. However, I think a big part of making a project look good is to take time to do a good surface preparation.

TISCO paint is about twice the price per gallon of TSC and Rustoleum, but is it worth it? Is it the same "type" and quality of paint (alkyd enamel?) I'm going to use hardner in the paint, but I'm not sure if I should clear coat since I'm going with cheaper paint. I didn't put a clear coat on my last tractor (but I used PPG) and it looks very glossy without it.

Thanks,
Scott

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lonestarjeff

06-16-2006 16:27:37




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 Re: TISCO Paints in reply to Scott1ky, 06-13-2006 09:45:01  
Scott...The alkyd enamels(like TSC & VanSickle)are the same paint technology used in the 50's on cars & tractors,etc. Tisco paint is an acrylic enamel, 1970's technology(if used w/ hardener), better resistance to UV, but not like todays auto paints.

Hardener helps both paints shorten cure-time, if nothing else. I've used Tisco & TSC, with & w/o hardener. The Tisco is easier to spray since you don't have to thin it as much.

Jeff

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John (TR)

06-13-2006 17:34:00




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 Re: TISCO Paints in reply to Scott1ky, 06-13-2006 09:45:01  
I've used the Valspar hardener with Rust Oleum, De Rusto, and Van Sickle. All are alkyd enamel (synthetic I believe) and all have done well for the price. All have stood up to gas spills that destroyed same paints without hardener. Looks like the De Rusto (Red) is wanting to fade after 3 years and my stuff sets inside almost all the time. So Did the Van Sickle on the hoods (Grey)
Van Sickle IH Red, Rust Oleum sunrise Red and De Rusto Red are almost dead ringers for the red. De Rusto tractor red is a bit too orange as is the Van Sickle Ford Red. Rust Oleum Olive is close for the Gray, I am using Van Sickle dark Ford grey lightened by about 10% Van Sickle Ford grey, matches the powder coat items exactly from Dennis Carpenter. Next step up in paint is the acryllic enamels starting around 100/gal and going up, plus they run hardeners (catalyst) as well. Your decision.
My stuff looks pretty nice and I get lots of compliments, but it does not live outdoors either. Even my neighbor that paints professionsally and wants me to use Urethanes (several hundred $/gal) like the finish with the $25-50/gallon paint. The Hardener enhances the gloss and duribility but comes with a cost, it's bad stuff! Make sure you have some type of respirator and when you get a coat on, vacate the area untill the next coat. I'm using a full face 3m with organic filters reccomended by same neighbor that paints daily. I still use fans and don't stay in the barn between coats. The type of respirator can be a discussion all in its own. I used to use a half mask and what a difference a full mask makes. I'd never go back. No more eyelids sticking together etc plus the fumes and iso's are absorbed through mucas membranes.

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sawmill

06-13-2006 14:02:20




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 Re: TISCO Paints in reply to Scott1ky, 06-13-2006 09:45:01  
Hi Scott,
Temperature plays a role in the "drying" time of paint that has a hardener added. The hardener works at the molecular level by bonding, not by evaporation and "drying". This bonding action is slowed way down as the temperature get colder. Best to use it above 70 degrees. Or so I have been told!!
Sawmill Rick



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Dan

06-13-2006 12:06:11




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 Re: TISCO Paints in reply to Scott1ky, 06-13-2006 09:45:01  
I have painted with all three, as a matter of fact, my Project Rustbucket WAS painted with all three :-) The TSC is fairly thick, and you will need to thin it down quite a bit unless you are brushing it on. However, it gives a good gloss finish that has held up the couple of years I have had it on the tractor (my 48 trailer queen) and takes well to the Valspar hardener they sell at TSC. The end result is a fairly hard finish that is pretty scratch resistant. However, it takes weeks to dry if you apply it with any measure of thickness.

The Tisco paint appears to be much thinner, and runs easily so be careful, however - it is the closest match to the original grey I have found without mortgaging the house for paint. Durability has not yet been determined, but the year I have had it on Rustbucket mowing has been just "ok". I tried to use a hardener on it, but it still scratches really easily.

The biggest surprise has been the Rustoleum paint. Goes on smooth and dries fairly quickly. It also seems to be a bit more durable than the Tisco paint.

Good luck,
Dan

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Hobo,NC

06-13-2006 14:38:46




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 Re: TISCO Paints in reply to Dan, 06-13-2006 12:06:11  
Dan I need sum X-pert advice I have TISCO gray on my werker and baccer spit izz a real pain to clean off the fenders, its gotta be the paint attracts baccer spit and will not turn it loose, would you put in a big chew of Redman and test yer fenders and let me know witch paint izz the E-Zee段zz to clean after a summer of werk段n yer tractors, Thanks Hobo



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Dan

06-13-2006 15:25:51




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 Re: TISCO Paints in reply to Hobo,NC, 06-13-2006 14:38:46  
Hobo - not too sure about "Baccer" spit, but I can tell you that whatever bird lived inside my metal storage building last summer must have been chewing some as well - because he left quite a bit of "something" that looks like you describe on my fenders over the Winter he lived there. I found Simple Green works wonders cleaning that kind of stuff off.

Besides, to put Redman spit on my fenders would require me to stick it in my mouth - my beer drinking limits my available vises :-)

Good to hear from you Mr. Rosser.

Dan

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Scott1ky

06-13-2006 12:49:22




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 Re: TISCO Paints in reply to Dan, 06-13-2006 12:06:11  
Dan,

Do you know if you can use the Valspar hardner with Rustoleum paint? Or, is there another type of hardner that would be better?

Thanks,
Scott



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Dan

06-13-2006 13:39:40




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 Re: TISCO Paints in reply to Scott1ky, 06-13-2006 12:49:22  
I know you can use it because I did. Not sure if it is the best hardener for it, but I rationalized that the Rustoleum paint was enamel just as the TSC paint is - so I used it and it worked fine. Now, I will tell you I don't know squat about paint, and there are many chemists that may bash me for this. But I figured it was going on a work tractor that was destined for the scrapyard anyway - so it couldn't hurt :-)

Oh - BTW, use a decent resperator if you are going to use hardener - it is really, really nasty stuff and is not something you want in your lungs. 3M makes a paint and organic specific resperator that is pretty good and only runs about $30 or so.

Good luck,
Dan

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Betty Ford

06-13-2006 12:44:32




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 Re: TISCO Paints in reply to Dan, 06-13-2006 12:06:11  
Even with the hardener the TSC stuff takes a long time to dry???

If I even get the N together, my plan was the TSC paint and the Valspar hardener.

I don't have a clue how to paint so I figure why experiment with expensive materials when the best I can hope for is an amature job??

Ken



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Dan

06-13-2006 13:33:29




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 Re: TISCO Paints in reply to Betty Ford, 06-13-2006 12:44:32  
On my first painting project, I used the TCS New Holland Red with the Valspar hardener and enamel thinner in the amounts recommended. I sprayed it on with an automotive style air sprayer on the body of my 1948 8N. The tractor sat for a week inside a metal storage building in Spring and it took a full week to dry - even with the hardener. However - the paint is excellent!

Again, I used the TSC New Holland Red enamel on my 1952 8N workhorse when I worked on the engine. I let it sit for a full day in the garage during summertime, then the next day I fired up the engine and let it run for about an hour. That was the nicest baked on enamel finish I have ever seen - quite a shell and tough as a rock. I highly recommend this on the block if you get a chance.

Good luck,
Dan

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John (Wash.)

06-13-2006 10:25:02




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 Re: TISCO Paints in reply to Scott1ky, 06-13-2006 09:45:01  
Scott, I painted two tractors with TISCO paint this winter. I tried to find out what kind of hardener to use with this paint by contacting TISCO. They referred me to Iowa Paints who manufactures the paint for them. I in fact talked to the head chemist for this product. He told me they have never formulated a hardener for this paint. They have tried other hardeners in their lab. that they have been told work , but he thought they made no noticeable difference ,so I painted without hardener. I did not go for a show quality paint job but I am well satisfied with the results I got for working tractors. They of course have yet to stand the test of time.

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Dell (WA)

06-13-2006 10:03:08




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 Re: TISCO Paints in reply to Scott1ky, 06-13-2006 09:45:01  
Scott..... ..re: clearcoat. The factory paint was what we'd now call "semi-gloss". Farming is DUSTY and most farmers are far too busy to "polish" a glossy shiny sheetmetal surface. Tractors are lucky to be hosed-off. (usually only when really muddied)

I do like the added "tuff-ness" that catalyzed paint imparts. But you can also gitt "de-gloss" additives too. Army uses it all the time in their camouflage paints. Only Generals gitt shiny-painted staff cars. (who have all the shiny privates they want to polish their cars)

Its yer tractor, paint it enny-color you want. I always thought candy-apple grey? with flames curling over the edge of the hood would make an interesting "statement"..... ....Dell, the 20/20 painter (looks good at 20ft or 20mph)

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mountainibis

06-13-2006 10:29:47




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 Re: TISCO Paints in reply to Dell (WA), 06-13-2006 10:03:08  
Generals have shiny privates? That seems like a waste of our tax dollars, doesn't it?



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