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Presley - Tx

06-22-2006 12:13:45




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I have 13 acres in central Texas which is now partially old world bluestem, native grass, cedar tress, cactus and rock.

I intend to plant Klein Grass for hay.

I have an 8N, 6ft box blade, landscape rake, carry-all and a boom pole. I have made arrangements to purchase a 5ft, 7-shank chisel plow. I realize I will probably need to remove some of the shanks.

Is the chisel plow followed by discing the way to go? What about a moldboard plow or a field cultivator? The Klein Grass seed only needs to be buried 1/4-1/2 inch according to the agri info.

Another question is, could I use the rippers on my box blade and follow up with a disc? Also, is a 6.5ft disc too big?

Finally, thanks to Soundguy and Hvw for the drifting throttle lever help last month.

Advice appreciated,

Steve

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chris cogburn

06-26-2006 09:56:39




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 Re: Tillage process in reply to Presley - Tx, 06-22-2006 12:13:45  
Just this weekend I tilled up a patch of packed-out 'yard' using the tines on a box blade. I'm hoping it'll knock down the grass burrs and improve water retention. The NAA tilled up that rocky junk pretty well; it only bogged when it hooked a tree root (dang cedars!)

If it's just grass seed and only needs to be shallow, here's what I would do: till the ground with the box blade rakes at max length until it's fairly loose, spread the seed, then box blade it back smooth again. Easy.

I'm also in Central Texas (Austin, but the 'ranch' is outside Smithville), and we've got rocky/sandy soil out there. But my friends in Elgin are basically on top of one giant limestone rock; topsoil is good where it's collected up over the years, but anyplace with drainage is just solid rock.

c.

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lonestarjeff

06-22-2006 22:22:25




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 Re: Tillage process in reply to Presley - Tx, 06-22-2006 12:13:45  
Not that familiar w/ your soil in central part of the state, but up here near the river the cultivator or the boxblade teeth don't work to well behind the 8N on unbroken ground. You just sit & spin the tires.

The 2-bottom plow works well in the right conditions(moisture content), but the single-bottom works deeper & easier in current conditions(bone dry).

After that, the disk will break up & smooth out, if you have clay. The cultivator will fluff & smooth out sandy soil.

Jeff

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CWG

06-22-2006 19:16:01




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 Re: Tillage process in reply to Presley - Tx, 06-22-2006 12:13:45  
I had to google chisel plow. Odd, they are field culitivators here, or at least what I heard them called. heres a cut and paste

The Chisel Plow is a very economical way to get your deep tillage done quickly. It has a relatively low initial cost as compared to other tools. It has the ability to till one bed at a time. It can be adjusted to till deep or shallow and it does not invert the soil profile. The Chisel Plow performs the initial loosening of the soil while leaving the trash on top. It is usually set at 8" to 12" deep. The maximum depth is 18". It is normally pulled at 4 mph and requires 10 hp per shank and good tire traction to operate it. Shanks are spaced 12" apart. For these reasons, the Chisel Plow is our first choice for primary deep tillage


based on that, I could use 2 1/2 shanks LOL

I just used a two bottom plow, and disc'd and disc'd....and more discing. I believe the 8N wont go slow enough, with high enough RPM to use a regular tiller. But with patience the disc will work.
Heres a thought too, compare your time, and wear and tear on the stuff, the stuff you gotta buy vs. spraying the whole thing with roundup to kill every living green thing on the surface and renting or hiring a seeddrill to plant that crop. Just a thought. I'm going to try the seed drill next year for the sunflowers

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Hobo,NC

06-22-2006 13:07:05




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 Re: Tillage process in reply to Presley - Tx, 06-22-2006 12:13:45  
chisel plow izz gonna be hard to beat on new ground. Depends on how deep you go as to how many you kin pull. I would try all 7 @ 6” deep and see how it does. On a garden I will run 3 then move up to 5 and after a few years I kin pull all 7 @ about 12’ deep then go back threw and run’em real deep. It does werk the tractor hard 5 at a time izz the way to go. The chisel plow will do a heck of a good job for what you plan to do. At one time a chisel plow izz all I had to werk with. If you chisel it then a bottom plow will do a good job, if not then the bottom plow will have a hard time slice’in and turn’in or its that way around here. I don’t see were you will need a bottom plow fer what you gonna do. Then disc looks like lots of seat time, when you won’t me to show up to help. i did not know their wuz a differance between a field cultivator and a chisel plow are they not the same

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monomechanical

06-22-2006 13:38:41




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 cultivator vs. chisel? in reply to Hobo,NC, 06-22-2006 13:07:05  
Hobo:
I don't think the two are synonymous necessarily.
I have both a field cultivator which I use in the corn simply to uproot weeds, as well as a chisel plow. The cultivator-shanks are "spring-loaded" but the ch.-plow shanks are solid. I've put a wider toe on the chisel plow shanks. Working previously uncultivated land in central texas will take lots of h.p. and time, I should think. Wait till the soil is moist: it'll save you two days and two cylinders. mono
(Phd., U.T. Austin, "Hook em Horns")

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Hobo,NC

06-22-2006 16:09:48




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 Re: cultivator vs. chisel? in reply to monomechanical, 06-22-2006 13:38:41  
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Round here a field cultivator izz called a grass rake but then ask the next feller and ya may git a different name dunno thats why I said what I said not sure then and same now, this izz what i call a chissle plow ,dunno so what izz the corect name

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Terry G

06-23-2006 12:45:54




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 Re: cultivator vs. chisel? in reply to Hobo,NC, 06-22-2006 16:09:48  
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Here's another one.



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murn-ga

06-22-2006 16:15:51




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 Re: cultivator vs. chisel? in reply to Hobo,NC, 06-22-2006 16:09:48  
That is a field cul, but here in N.Ga. before the rotovators they were refered to as tillers.



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8N'r

06-22-2006 17:59:57




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 Re: cultivator vs. chisel? in reply to murn-ga, 06-22-2006 16:15:51  
In Wisconsin, they have them listed for sale as 3 point "diggers". gets confusing for us first time implement buyers!!



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Presley - Tx

06-22-2006 13:15:01




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 Re: Tillage process in reply to Hobo,NC, 06-22-2006 13:07:05  
Thanks Hobo,

I've found through searching for implements that sometimes the phrases chisel plow and field cultivators are used interchangealby by some dealers and distinctively different by others. They seem alike to me.



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