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Coil checker?

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RoNofohio

07-02-2006 09:40:17




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Seen a lot of post wondering if it is possible to check coils. Why would the following not work?
I think if you:

1. Run a wire (alligator test clips) from the flat spring on bottom front of a square coil to the black battery jumper cable connected to one of the battery post.

2. Run a second wire from that same flat spring to a point that is held 1/4" from the bottom of the coiled spring on bottom (springy-thingy).

3. Run another wire from the red battery jumper cable connected from the other battery post to a simple on/off switch and then on to the connection point on top of the coil.

4. When you rapidly flip the switch on and off, you should see a spark jump the 1/4" from the coiled spring to the wire if the coil is good.

First and formost, if it works, there will be a lot of voltage as this coil (transformer transforms a relatively small voltage 6v-12v to much larger (I've heard 400v-3500v) and IT WILL SHOCK YOU. Second, you should use battery jumper cables so as to be as far away from a potentially exploding battery as possible. and thirdly, this square can coil is kinda light-weight and will not take much heat. So flip the switch quickly and only once or twice.

I haven't tried this yet, as I don't have a spare working coil, but in my mind, I don't see why it wouldn't work. Give me your opinions please. If there are reasons why it wouldn't work, we need to know up front. thanks..Ron

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504+1

07-02-2006 15:30:00




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 Re: Coil checker? in reply to RoNofohio, 07-02-2006 09:40:17  
All I did was run a wire from a battery to the bench vise and the other one to the coil(8-N)when you touch the spring to the vise it should spark.



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ZANE

07-02-2006 12:31:34




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 Re: Coil checker? in reply to RoNofohio, 07-02-2006 09:40:17  
What is going to be the result of not having the condenser in the circuit?

Zane



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Bob

07-02-2006 12:34:51




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 Re: Coil checker? in reply to ZANE, 07-02-2006 12:31:34  
Likely, a MUCH weaker spark.



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Bob

07-02-2006 10:39:43




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 Re: Coil checker? in reply to RoNofohio, 07-02-2006 09:40:17  
RoN,

The biggest spark will be at the FLAT SPRING, which is the SECONDARY OUTPUT TERMINAL not at the coiled spring, which is the second PRIMARY TERMINAL.

You're making it sound difficult... simply mimic the wiring of the coil and distributor. And, since there's no ballast resistor in the circuit, to limit primary current, don't keep pressing the switch until the coil overheats internally, and may be damaged!

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The trouble is, though, MANY coil problems occur after the engine has run a while, with the combined heat from the current flowing through the coil, and heat fron the engine and radiator causing the coil to "short" internally, and fail, and then work for a while again, after it has cooled. It would be tough to simulate that exact degree of heating, to absolutely verify the coil will work when it's hot.

I have a "SUN" coil tester, and recently picked up an "ALLEN" coil tester, which has a "HEAT" function, to safely heat up the coil, and verify it still functions. I haven't had time to mess around with the ALLEN unit yet, though.

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dan hill

07-03-2006 05:35:42




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 Re: Coil checker? in reply to Bob, 07-02-2006 10:39:43  
If you had a resistor in the circuit you could close the switch for 2 minutes to heat the coil and do a hot test.Ford recommended this hot test for the ford v8 coil.



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RoNofohio

07-02-2006 11:20:47




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 Re: Coil checker? in reply to Bob, 07-02-2006 10:39:43  
Your Schematics are easy to read and understand. Seems like anyone who suspects their coil in a "No spark" or "no start" situation might benefit from them. And I agree that it wouldn't be much help in a situation where the engine "starts and runs for a short time or until the coil heats up". And I like Phil's comment about using a sparkplug instead of the 1/4"gap. . Thanks for the post...Ron

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Phil (Nj,Az,Sask)

07-02-2006 10:11:44




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 Re: Coil checker? in reply to RoNofohio, 07-02-2006 09:40:17  
First! the flat spring is the "Hi-voltage" secondary and you don't want that near the pigtail primary. The flat spring should be connected to a gapped spark plug (with grounded thread)

The Pigtail is switched to a ground. The top of the coil is HOT Battery. Do not confuse the battery with Hi-voltage spark. The battery just provides low voltage current to "charge" the coil.

The primary resistance does have significance and can be very accurately measured. You can check the "COIL", contrary to the wisdom of others, but what you can't determine is the reliability of the coil over time.

Hope this helps,

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Bob

07-02-2006 10:45:13




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 Re: Coil checker? in reply to Phil (Nj,Az,Sask), 07-02-2006 10:11:44  
Phil,

I agree measuring the resistance of the winding will give you an idea if the winding is completely open, or shorted, yet, as little as one shorted turn will adversely affect spark output, while making only a TINY change in the resistance of the winding, not enough to detect with an Ohmmeter, unless you had it's EXACT original measurements, the temperature was constant between the before-and-after-failure measurements, and you were using a high-precision meter.

As you know, REAL coil testers RING the winding with a pulse of current, and display on a meter the length of time it takes the pulse to "decay".

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