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2nforever

07-09-2006 08:15:18




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Please forgive the reposting of this message. I have recieved a lot of good advice and learned how to post a picture but it was so far embedded in the previous posting. I heave learned alot and hope I can provide enough information that someone has seen this problem before and can give advice. This picture shows the plug/pin that I removed and cannot get it back in.

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2nforever

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10n

07-09-2006 12:24:35




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 Re: Transmission Oil in reply to 2nforever, 07-09-2006 08:15:18  
keep up good work,,



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Ken S.

07-09-2006 08:45:58




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 Re: Transmission Oil in reply to 2nforever, 07-09-2006 08:15:18  
My previous reply-

"Ha 2nf, Sounds like you removed the shaft lock pin on the reverse idler gear shaft. It's listed as #26 on Fig. FO105.(pg 71). I'm not familier with 2N trans. but from the diagram, it looks to go through a hole in shaft #27. hth"

After seeing the picture I haven't changed my mind. If the pin won't go back in, the hole in the idler gear shaft isn't lined up. Try using an awl or punch to realine the hole in the shaft with the hole in the case.

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Dell (WA)

07-09-2006 11:19:31




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 Re: Transmission Oil in reply to Ken S., 07-09-2006 08:45:58  
2nforever..... ....what Ken sez..... iff'n you can't gitt the awl/pin-punch or even a heavy nail to line up the holes, you may need to engage yer behind the left heel PTO lever and give yer PTO splined shaft behind the tractor diffy a slight twist to gitt the holes to line-up. (don't ask me which way to slightly twist, I haven't gotta clue)..... ..Dell



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2nforever

07-09-2006 11:58:53




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 Re: Transmission Oil in reply to Dell (WA), 07-09-2006 11:19:31  
Dell,

I put a wrench on the PTO and had my wife give it a turn. The PTO was engaged because she was turning the engine also. I had a nail in the hole but could not feel anything moving. She turned it a round or two. It was in neutral. Should I have in in gear? I have some kinda safety dohickie that will only allow the PTO to engage in one direction. Should I pull it off and try the other way?

Thanks,

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Bob

07-09-2006 14:19:47




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 Re: Transmission Oil in reply to 2nforever, 07-09-2006 11:58:53  
The elongated bolt passes though the reverse gear idler shaft, to hold it from turning, or moving fore and aft, as you shift in and out of reverse.

The reverse gear does not turn, unless the tranny is in reverse, and then the shaft would turn along with the gear only as much as the friction/stickyness of the oil between the gear and the pin drags it along. The shaft may also have moved fore or aft, if the gearshift has been moved in or out of the reverse position, since the bolt has been withdrawn.

I don't know how far the shaft can move fore and aft, with the tranny assembled, but, if it were to move rearward enough so you can get the bolt back in, missing the reverse idler shaft altogether, the results could be disasterous, if the pin and/or the gear were to fall into the transmission, or the final drive area.

So, what to do?

You could try slowly turning the PTO shaft, with the PTO engaged, the tranny in reverse, and the clutch pedal depressed, and using a sharp pick or awl long enough to reach the bottom of the bolt hole, to the shaft. If you are lucky, you will "feel" the hole in the shaft come into alignment, and the sharp probe drop into the hole in the shaft. Perhaps, with a bright light, you could then see the edges od the pin hole in the reverse idler shaft, and visually verify that it is in position.

If you can't get the hole into alignment, at all, or can't be SURE the hole is in alignment, and the shaft has NOT moved out of position, and teardown of some sort will be needed. I don't know how much you can see down there, with the tranny cover removed, and the shift rails and forks still in place.

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