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souNdguy

07-13-2006 13:10:13

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Boy it's really beginning to burn me when the 'free answer' seekers start giving you 'heck' about the good info they just squeezed out of you... over trivial matters..

Makes me want to read more and post less...

grrrrr

soundguy

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Jerry/MT

07-14-2006 13:19:29

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to souNdguy, 07-13-2006 13:10:13

I know what you mean. I sometimes feel that way.
Somebody posts, "My tractor won't start I need help!" Doesn't tell you what the tractor make and model are, hasn't provided the most rudimentary explanantion about what he has done to investigate or what the symptoms he's experienced are. So you ask him some questions and give it your best shot to try and help and because his tractor still won't start he's PO'd at you. Like Dell says, "I flunked mind reading"! But ya' know thw world is full of mostly good folks. The folks who come to these forums, for the most part, appreciate the help they get here. And there's always one fart in the carload. I just write off the wise a--es and do the best I can for all the rest and that's 99.999 % of the total. remember "Non-illegitimus carborundum"(i.e "don't let the b-----ds wear you down")!

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Lytemup

07-14-2006 09:04:42

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to souNdguy, 07-13-2006 13:10:13

souNdguy: you (and Dell (WA)) have helped me directly and indirectly (archives) more times than I have fingers and toes. serious save me money get me on the right path fast help. i truly have appreciated it. thanks,
Lytemup (Steve in MI)

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Bill(NC)

07-14-2006 04:15:58

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to souNdguy, 07-13-2006 13:10:13

You guys are making me feel guilty. Recently I posted a question about a generator experiment. I just had heart surgery, and so can not get right on it until about August, but wanted some ideas ahead of time. I plan to give feed back as soon as I can, and I appreciate all responses.

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FarmerDawn

07-14-2006 07:36:52

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to Bill(NC), 07-14-2006 04:15:58

Gosh, I sure hope you're starting to feel better from the heart surgery! Take care of yourself and give yourself good time to heal, ok?

Dawn

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kyplowboy

07-13-2006 23:37:59

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to souNdguy, 07-13-2006 13:10:13

I understand, I have probably asked things here before and not thanked the replys proberly. There is a great number of good people on there and a few sore heads. This board is kinda like the little store I stop at on my way home from work in the mornings. Each morning there is 5 to 15 farmers sitting around drinking coffie. There are two that get on my nerves real bad. One got me so ill that I would slow down every mornin and if his truck was there I would eat somthing at home. After awhile I started missing the good ones. I figure I can ignore the butt wipes if most of the guys are good to be around. After making this revelation I have noticed the way the nice guys talk to these boys they don't like them, and have not liked them for 50 years. No reason to let some one run you off from the coffie table, if you want to be there and converse with friends a jerk may show up. Just make the best of it.
Just the way I see it.
Dave

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Bill2

07-13-2006 19:51:46

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to souNdguy, 07-13-2006 13:10:13

I agree, a thank you is polite. I generally do that with a personal e-mail to the one(s) who answered my post fior two reasons - 1) it"s more of a personal thank you, and 2) it doesn"t take up more space on the board. Seldom do I get any indication that it was received by them however, so perhaps they haven"t received it and I"m guilty too, I don"t know.

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souNdguy

07-13-2006 21:03:18

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to Bill2, 07-13-2006 19:51:46

It's not event he thank you / acknowledgement issue. It's when you serve them up the free answers and they complain about the 'plate' it came on.. etc.

A thank you would be like icing on a cake... I'd settle for just a polite response.. or even none at all, vs someone griping you out about the info you gave them that they needed.. etc Yet they managed to find something in your post to moan about... etc.

I think I need to get some sleep and just 'get over' this issue. Hopefully the poster who initiated the problem will just go away and fix his tractor.. after all he had plenty of responses on exactly what to do by many people.. etc.

Soundguy

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Intruder

07-13-2006 18:14:43

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to souNdguy, 07-13-2006 13:10:13

I would like to apologize, I am guilty of not posting back with a thanks or results. Everyone one here disserves a big thankyou for the time you spend helping others. Again thank you, Richard

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Sean (TX)

07-13-2006 18:10:58

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to souNdguy, 07-13-2006 13:10:13

The board should be updated to a more modern forum. One that requires you to be a member to post anything. Posting your email is not required on this forum. You can put in a bogus one if you want to. But if you use your correct email they can send you email. If you reply to the one that comes in from the board that gives them your email.

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Cargocult

07-14-2006 04:35:21

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Change Is BAD!! in reply to Sean (TX), 07-13-2006 18:10:58

That would represent change! I understand where u r coming from, but it would slow down the board! And be another step to go thru to post! Now, if U have High Speed Internet.that's not too bad, but if u are saddled by VERIZON's crappy lines and no DSL, extra steps are negative! (I want DSL, but the Morons at VERIZON refuse to upgrade the line coming in here to lalow me to get it! They'd rather spend their $$ advertising the benefits of DSL, rather than spending the $%$ to provide it to all their customers that want it!) I done been on dis bord 4 a long time, and it seems to work OK! Sure, there have been some legendary "flame wars", but that's part of the WWW! I don't think settin up a check-in would solve anything! Just keep folks like me out! I was advised to "move to the city" 4 high-speed Internet! Well,that is non-starter with me, being a COUNTRY BOY and Hating Cities! Kinda sux, being able to get Faster Service in the PI than here! GRRRRR!! Verizon sux!! But I don't wanna get into my Anti-Verizon rant, hehehe! I like the board the way it is set up! It works well. Note the "newfangled board" didn't get much sucess when they tried it awhile back! New ain't always better! End Rant, hehehe!! CC

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FarmerDawn

07-13-2006 17:37:53

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to souNdguy, 07-13-2006 13:10:13

Well, I can see I came back in the nick of time to say "THANK YOU" on behalf of all the poor tractors out here who would be, um, well . . . in pieces . . . OK, let me start over again.

"THANK YOU" on behalf of all the tractors whose owners are total mechanical idiots and who would, without your knowledge and advice, pour boiling water into frozen radiators and things like that. Their owners may be ungrateful and even sometimes snide, but I am absolutely positive (and not joking) that you and others here save the lives of tens of tractors a year, if not hundreds.

We're finally starting to beat out the flames of "absolute financial disaster" around here (THANK GOODNESS!) and I plan to put at least an hour a day into non-work for the forseeable future (while we finish getting on dry land again) so I don't drop dead from sequential 20-hour days. And that means . . . BACK IN THE SHOP!!!

SouNdguy, that was meant to be encouraging. You aren't shutting off your computer and leaving the room at the thought of me and Arthur needing your help again are you? SouNdguy? Hello...?

Dawn

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souNdguy

07-13-2006 21:07:39

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to FarmerDawn, 07-13-2006 17:37:53

hey Dawn, long time no talk. Nope.. me and my spider bites are still here. I'm just going to try to be alot more selective in my posts from now on. ( sleep may help my disposition too... I've been pulling doubles for a couple weeks straight now ).

I had heard there were some problems your way. Hope that you guys really pull thru.. I'm 'rootin' for ya.

Soundguy

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FarmerDawn

07-14-2006 07:35:17

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to souNdguy, 07-13-2006 21:07:39

Thanks, Soundguy! I sure know what you mean about the double shifts! I feel like a zombie. But we're starting to see hope "out there" on the horizon, and a lot of it is because of the good thoughts and prayers of friends like you. Hope you get to have some good rest soon!!

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monmechanical

07-13-2006 17:11:13

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to souNdguy, 07-13-2006 13:10:13

Soundguy: I couldn't agree with you more. It's quite clear to me that: a. there are some extraordinarily smart tractor guys around; b. who are also extraordinarily generous with help, under less than ideal circumstances, which include; c. advising people who are too lazy to do an archives search, and; d. are ungrateful for the help they get. (Is there any possible question regarding these tractors that has not been asked three or more times?)

I asked a question on this forum a while ago, and lo and behold, a local forum participant showed up at my house to help me. Amazing!!! Where does that happen any more?
On another question I asked, in my defense, I did search the archives, but got no hits for "How to remove ghetto blaster from disker." so I felt okay asking the forum.
I stopped to help a woman change a flat tire last month and you can't believe her response. I asked, "Can I help you change that tire?" "No you sexist b#st*rd, I can do it myself." "ummmmm . . . okay." But her response will not keep me from asking [someone else] the next time.

St. Augustine said, "I can show my gratitude for what God has taught me by sharing it with someone else. In that way, I receive more." The principle holds, I think, even if one "de-theologizes," [alas] the maxim.

mono

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Bruce (VA)

07-13-2006 16:58:12

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to souNdguy, 07-13-2006 13:10:13

My gut check is that the ratio is about 5:1, meaning for every 5 posts I make, one person is going to say thanks or follow-up w/ another question, which is ok as well, because at least I know they are alive. Thank goodness my gut check tells me that the snippy/snotty ratio is about 100:1 or I'd probably find another way to spend the 15-20 minutes a day I read this board. I probably haven't been active here over 4 years, but I've sure gained more knowledge than I've provided. It's sort of like someone does me a favor, so I'll do a favor for someone else. You & many others on this board have helped me out a lot over the years, and other than a thank you, I'm not really capable of returning the favor directly, but I can help someone else. Besides, if I wasn't sitting down here typing, I'd probably be in the garage breaking something.....

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DON TX

07-13-2006 16:53:24

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to souNdguy, 07-13-2006 13:10:13

At least ya haven't been flamed yet, not that I'm aware of. Dell had to wear a fireproof suit there for a while here. Post and have faith your help is appreciated. Maybe not by the poster but someone is.
DON TX

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souNdguy

07-13-2006 21:11:58

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to DON TX, 07-13-2006 16:53:24

That's a funny one. i actually cracked a smile and had a good hearty chuckle while reading this one.

thanks

Soundguy

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Jetman8n

07-13-2006 15:49:54

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to souNdguy, 07-13-2006 13:10:13

I for one appreciate all the help and time everyone takes to answer posts. Some of the answers hit the mark and others don't. A lot of advice is interesting because it comes from different experiences with similiar problems. I really appreciate it when someone comes back and tells us the problem. Helps close the loop on tying symptoms to problems. Thanks everyone for the help you have all provided me as I've worked on my tractor (yes, I've only one today, but certainly have spent my share of time on the greasy end of a wrench or two). The help has come from the archives, answers to questions, and just mental therapy from reading others with tougher problems than I have. When I get home, I'll raise my glass to you all who provide answers to those who ask for help. If you were close, I'd buy you a cold one, SouNdguy
Thanks and Cheers!
Jet

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Pooh Bear

07-13-2006 22:01:34

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to Jetman8n, 07-13-2006 15:49:54

I don't care if people don't come back and say thank you.
I'm not here for that.
But if I suggest something I would like to see a post
back letting me know if my suggestion worked out or not.
Without feedback how can I get better with suggestions.
Most of what I know is what I have read here.
So most of my suggestions are just parroting what I have read.
I don't have the benifit of all the experience
some of the other board members have.
And for some of the problems I read about,
I hope to never gain that experience.
But if I do, I know who to ask about it.

What really irks me is the nit picky posters
that want to gripe about bad grammer and puntuation and spelling, or forgetting a name such as in the recent case of the mislabled scientific formulae.
What, you never had a lapse in memory?

And for those that want to gripe about posting styles,
that's all it is, a style. And Dell's got style.
People that gripe about style don't have any.

I for one would like to meet people like Dell,
and Zane, and SoundGuy, and a bunch of others.

So for all you people that want to nit pick,
the manager of my complaint department is Helen Waite.
If you got a complaint, just go to Helen Waite.

Pooh Bear
(ol' fluff for brains)

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sawmill

07-14-2006 14:49:08

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to Pooh Bear, 07-13-2006 22:01:34

Hey Pooh Bear,
I liked all that you said especially the part about complaining about style means you don't have any. The next was the fact that there are many on this list that I wish I could sit and have a beer with. There are some really great people here. As for those knitpicking advice, I say this.
A red flag always goes up in my mind when someone trys to make themselves look taller my standing on someone else. When a person asks for advice and then puts down the advice in an attempt to appear superior, or have a better grasp of the issue, I smell it a mile away. Good people asking for advice know how to deal with getting it and others don't. It shows.
Sawmill Rick

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sawmill

07-14-2006 14:48:37

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to Pooh Bear, 07-13-2006 22:01:34

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Colin King

07-13-2006 16:42:32

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Second That in reply to Jetman8n, 07-13-2006 15:49:54

I'll second that one, Jetman. Everything I know about my 8N is from the folks on this board. And they've been right on everytime I've had a question. One of my first experiences was Soundguy giving me extremely detailed instructions on how to polorize my generator!

So, beer in hand, a tip it in all your directions!

Colin, MN

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CWG

07-13-2006 15:31:39

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The answers to all you seek revealed inside: in reply to souNdguy, 07-13-2006 13:10:13

Yup, I know what you mean soundguy, I "donate" my time to another forum where I advertise, usually a thanks is nice, but more often than not- you get NO reply....Which is a bugger as I took 3-15 minutes to type a reply to "how do you..." Same with emails "how much is this" and I take an honest 10-20 minutes to quote up a price, explaining along the way why this costs this or that...never to get a "thanks-"

m'eh, heres my thoughts. Guys like you cant help yourself. Its in your nature to donate your time. Get over it, you are "just a nice guy" (as are a dozen others here, not just you) Cant seem to stop helping, posting answers to the same questions posted over and over since I came here last year (and, I notice, in the years prior when I bother to search). I am quite grateful for the input I've recieved over my N. Really grateful. Rarely have to wait a few hours for the first posts to come back giving me hope to fix whateverinthehellisthenextdamthingtobreak on my '48.
You're helpful. Accept it. Move on, get some coffee, and know a great majority of the post once and dont come back guys/girls are in fact, grateful, just poorly educated, socially untrained dolts. LOL!

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Kelly Jewell (KY)

07-13-2006 14:55:39

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to souNdguy, 07-13-2006 13:10:13

Soundguy, I always thought after a post was answered the person on the other end just disappeared or it seems that way. Anyway, free advice is seldom worth it, is one way to look at it. Many times the question cannot be answered. My tractor won't start, how do I fix it? Us answer guys are not always correct, we either don't know the answer or didn't understand the question. Other answers are opinionated, how would my tractor look with Flames? I have a difficult time with the guy that has one tracor and become a expert having done it once. I've sold over $40 Million in parts, part owner in a dealership, worked on them, restored them and about everything else you can think of. Last best job offer was New Holland DD store with $1 Million checking account. Some people know the answers before the question is asked and this is all just a test....Kelly.

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murnga

07-13-2006 14:46:00

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to souNdguy, 07-13-2006 13:10:13

I agree 100%. I read the posters reply,that I think you are refering to and it made me Grrrrr.

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souNdguy

07-13-2006 21:28:35

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to murnga, 07-13-2006 14:46:00

Yeah.. It wasn't a 'thank you' issue.. I'm not a glory hound. I don't need a 'thanks' message.. though they are nice. I'd really prefer a post back and feedback.. but I can live without that too. It's the replies where they take you to the carpet for trying to help them... I just don't get that...

Anyway.. I'm taking all the good advice offered here.. .. Just had a cup of decaf.. and am off to get some sleep, and will try to let this one float on by...

thanks guys. This is like having an extended family / group counseling session all in one. Except that you don't all come over and stay for days on end and drink my frosty adult beverages and then take off leaving my house a wreck.. like real family does!!

Speaking of meeting. I've had the privelege of meeting ( in person ) 3 of the posters here over the years. Great people.

Soundguy

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duey

07-13-2006 14:27:15

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to souNdguy, 07-13-2006 13:10:13

I'm always interested in other "observations' made about MY "observations".... but they don't serve to change my mind.

I AM amazed at the dexterity of some who can ask questions but can't somehow seem to move down the page to see how recently the SAME question was asked or even peek at the archives.

Guess it is a narrow point of focus. Culture conceals more about itself from the people that are IN it than it does from those who are not.

But thanks for your spirit of sharing!!

duey

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Pooh Bear

07-13-2006 22:14:31

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to duey, 07-13-2006 14:27:15

Ok, I'm guilty of this one sometimes.
I'm in such a hurry for an answer,
I post the question, then go search the archives.
That way someone can be answering my question
while I'm still searching for an answer.
Don't try to understand Pooh Bear logic, just let it be.

I don't know how it could be done,
but I find the archives difficult to search.
I can go back and read the last few pages easy enough.
But searching the archives is hard for me.
I'm getting better at it, but still,
maybe it could be improved somehow.
Like instead of getting each individual post in a search,
you just get the whole thread from the beginning.
That would help greatly.

Pooh Bear
(ol' fluff for brains)

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Dan

07-13-2006 13:30:14

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to souNdguy, 07-13-2006 13:10:13

Ok - now you did it! You opened the door to post another "pet peeve" I have noticed recently and have been frustrated more and more with lately.

When you ask for assistance, and others respond. THANK THEM!!!!! And, have the decency to post back with the results and THANK THEM AGAIN. Funny how many people rush to the forums for assistance, then forget about the help once the immediate emergency is fixed. I did not want to post this for fear of people thinking me vain or something, but it appears common decency and politeness is a thing of the past - and it too makes me feel like reading more and posting less!

grrrrr

Next.

Dan

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souNdguy

07-13-2006 13:35:48

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to Dan, 07-13-2006 13:30:14

Dan: You are right on! that posting back to report on the problem and the fix is a real essential part of this advice forum. As new problems arise.. it helps to know what is still working and what doesn't, by user feedback.. too bad , as you point out.. most people grab and run.

Ron: I'd prefer not to identify the psoter. They were already touchy enough... If I named them I'm sure they would get even more squeamish and pouty..

Soundguy

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Paul Schultz

07-13-2006 21:26:16

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to souNdguy, 07-13-2006 13:35:48

I've been following this forum for a little over a year. There is plenty of great advise that I appreciate.

One thing that may increase the lack of follow-up is the structure of the forum software. I know I don't monitor the forums but maybe once a day. Sometimes a posting I have placed is already on page 3 of the forum. If you aren't monitoring things closely they can quickly get buried. Just a thought.

Paul.

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Pooh Bear

07-13-2006 22:18:59

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to Paul Schultz, 07-13-2006 21:26:16

Yes, it would be great if threads that get replies,
get moved back to the top. So that active conversations
stay on page one, and others fade away.
I hardly ever go past page one anyway.
So if it gets a reply after it moves to page two,
chances are, I won't see it.

Pooh Bear

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Larryr

07-13-2006 15:08:34

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to souNdguy, 07-13-2006 13:35:48

Sounds just like the people you let out of a side street when traffic is backed up and they come out and do not even wave ,nod ther heads or any other polite jesture of thanks!Grrrr Larryr

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ron,ar

07-13-2006 15:04:38

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Thanks for all the help in reply to souNdguy, 07-13-2006 13:35:48

I was afraid it might have been me:^) I have not posted much here in several years and while some folks know me on other YT boards, most here don't. And I AM a bit sarcastic at times:^) (but I admit that) I have not resolved my electrical issues because I have not picked up another alternator yet, I will let you all know how it works out. I also am not sure how my fiberglas hood will work out but I did pick up some flexible primer for it. Not enough hours in the day.

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souNdguy

07-13-2006 21:35:01

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Re: Thanks for all the help in reply to ron,ar, 07-13-2006 15:04:38

I'm not going to mention who it was.. but will say that it wasn't you. (grin)

Soundguy

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ron,ar

07-13-2006 13:27:06

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Re: some darn picky 'free answer' seekers here in reply to souNdguy, 07-13-2006 13:10:13

Care to elaborate?
ron,ar-who generally has a DRY sense of humor:^)

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