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ShowMeGuy

08-04-2006 09:05:32




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Hey all. I'm thinking of trying my hand and cutting/bending my own lines and am looking for some input as to what type of metal tubing to use. What size etc. Also I was looking any old rusty lines and not a plumber and was wondering if these are single or double flare joints.
ShowMeGuy




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Hobo,NC

08-04-2006 18:56:20




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 Re: Fuel and Oil Lines in reply to ShowMeGuy, 08-04-2006 09:05:32  
1/4" steel brake line, read reply below for lenth of fuel line. If you git a piece of the steel line with the spring wrapped around it you kin use it to support the line were you bend it so it will not kink. Or a door spring will werk, its not hard to bend just use yer thumbs to support the line for a nice clean bend, you may mess one up its part of the learn’in curb. You kin also a cloths hanger fer a pattern. I may have a pix of the fuel line when it comes out of the shut off it bends up bout a 1” and runs just under the fuel tank.

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Ross Pugh(NC)

08-04-2006 14:53:39




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 Re: Fuel and Oil Lines/ONLY $20.00 in reply to ShowMeGuy, 08-04-2006 09:05:32  
The correct steel fuel line can be ordered ready to bolt on from Just 8N's for $20.00. Call them and have it in hand in 2 days. why go to the trouble to buy tools and parts when they are that cheap like original?



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BillM (OH)

08-04-2006 19:36:06




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 Re: Fuel and Oil Lines/ONLY $20.00 in reply to Ross Pugh(NC), 08-04-2006 14:53:39  
Maybe so for 8N fuel lines, but when they (FNH) wanted near a hundred bucks for one power steering line on my 861, I went to NAPA brake lines real quick - buy close to length you need, use the tubing bender and snug'er up -- savings about 90 bucks a shot.



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Hobo,NC

08-04-2006 18:44:49




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 Re: Fuel and Oil Lines/ONLY $20.00 in reply to Ross Pugh(NC), 08-04-2006 14:53:39  
Cuzz its E-zee to make you will always have the tool you will have brag’in rites you kin hunt down N’s and make new lines fer’em, you never know when a new line izz needed and you have the tool on hand to make a new one cheap. You leave a tool to yer kidds to figger out whats’izz fer if your buddy returns it. BTW cut the new steel brake line to 28 ½” long install the nut and double flare. If you muck it up saw the messed up flare off and re flare you got a 1” to play with when ya git good cut to 27 ½’ but no room fer error. Use yer thumbs to bend piece of cake and no wait and no ship’in. Money saved well I am sure you kin find away to spend it. I don’t consider $25.00 cheap for a 3 bit line bit iffin ya got the bucks to spare git’it

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Cargocult

08-05-2006 04:54:27




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 Re: Fuel and Oil Lines/ONLY $20.00 in reply to Hobo,NC, 08-04-2006 18:44:49  
Right on!! And everybody knows that one can't possibly have TOO MANY TOOLS!! U will find a use 4 it!! ;-)



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ShowMeGuy

08-04-2006 18:13:50




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 Re: Fuel and Oil Lines/ONLY $20.00 in reply to Ross Pugh(NC), 08-04-2006 14:53:39  
Ya I looked into that but I also am going ot need to run new oil lines and buying them pre-fab'd starts adding alot to the cost. I can buy the tool and lines and come even or ahead and have a tool.... JMHO.
ShowMeGuy



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ShowMeGuy

08-04-2006 13:59:29




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 Re: Fuel and Oil Lines in reply to ShowMeGuy, 08-04-2006 09:05:32  
I think I got all the info to get in and start. Auto parts store, double flare, brake line... :) ShowMeGuy



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Dan 2N

08-04-2006 10:40:16




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 Re: Fuel and Oil Lines in reply to ShowMeGuy, 08-04-2006 09:05:32  
Use steel lines with double flare, single flare will work harden and crack and leak at the end under the nut with use. Its easy and a one time fix. Hot oil and rubber hoses don't get along good for long.
Dan 2N



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TheOldHokie

08-04-2006 11:17:54




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 Re: Fuel and Oil Lines in reply to Dan 2N, 08-04-2006 10:40:16  
"Hot oil and rubber hoses don't get along good for long"

That covers a lot of ground. I present for your consideration a hydraulic hose assembly.

TOH



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Dan 2N

08-04-2006 11:37:25




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 Re: Fuel and Oil Lines in reply to TheOldHokie, 08-04-2006 11:17:54  
Steel braded reinforced hose, not rubber gas hose as spooken of



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TheOldHokie

08-04-2006 12:08:36




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 Re: Fuel and Oil Lines in reply to Dan 2N, 08-04-2006 11:37:25  
Ahh - I must be getting sensitive in my older age. I thought it was in reference to my comment in the preceding message of stainless braid hose.

Regards,

TOH



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Dan 2N

08-04-2006 13:14:06




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 Re: Fuel and Oil Lines in reply to TheOldHokie, 08-04-2006 12:08:36  
Not at all, just don't like to see gas hose on hot engine or auto trans lines.
Have a good one, Dan 2N



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TheOldHokie

08-04-2006 10:34:14




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 Re: Fuel and Oil Lines in reply to ShowMeGuy, 08-04-2006 09:05:32  
As others have said I'd recommend the "bendable" replacement steel brake lines sold at just about any auto parts place for a couple bucks each. If you want a precise fit cut one end off and reinstall the fitting using a cheap ($15) flaring tool. An inexpensive ($15) tubing bender will give a more professional appearance but you can bend free hand or use a piece of pipe as a mandrel. Double flaring the ends is not rocket science - you just need a flaring tool and enough intellect to read and follow the instructions that come with it.

Or if you are sphincterly challenged braided stainless hose assemblies will really dress up the old Gal ;-)

YMMV,

TOH

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ron,ar

08-04-2006 10:10:16




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 go to NAPA in reply to ShowMeGuy, 08-04-2006 09:05:32  
Napa has steel lines that are the new "bendable" type. You don"t have to use a tubing bender,you can either do it with your hands or use a rounded object (2" pipe) and just roll the tubing around it. I made my own fuel line for the 8N last week and it is as good as the ones that are sold aftermarket preformed IMO



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Fly N

08-04-2006 09:52:57




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 Re: Fuel and Oil Lines in reply to ShowMeGuy, 08-04-2006 09:05:32  
I just did this on my old 2N. Buy a tubing bender. They are around $15. It makes the bending job so much easier and cleaner. O'Reilly Auto Parts has lines with the flare nuts already installed. Use steel lines. They are double flare fittings. It is simple to master with the right tool. My flare tool has guages to get the double flare prepped right for the second flare.



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Colin King

08-04-2006 09:44:49




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 Are Rubber Lines Possible? in reply to ShowMeGuy, 08-04-2006 09:05:32  
If you are replacing the lines, why couldn't you use regular rubber fuel lines for both projects (at least for a "working tractor") for both applications? Is there a specific reason, other than originality, why you wouldn't want to use rubber?

Colin, MN



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old

08-04-2006 10:14:56




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 Re: Are Rubber Lines Possible? in reply to Colin King, 08-04-2006 09:44:49  
I use rubber lines all the time but, and heres the big thing. You have to do it in a way that they are not close to the engine or manifold. On the Ns that can be a little hard to do but on a lot of other tractors like say an Allis WD theres not problem with the engine or manifold.



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Colin King

08-04-2006 10:25:06




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 Re: Are Rubber Lines Possible? in reply to old, 08-04-2006 10:14:56  
Gotcha. Not only do you have to watch out for the much shorter wear life of the hose, as Tim pointed out, but you also have to keep the things from melting and then spilling their contents onto hot surfaces.

I've never really thought about this problem before. On my Toyota, the rubber fuel lines run right up to the inlet tube. It get's plenty hot there, but clearly not as hot as it does closer to the exhaust manifold.

Glad I didn't try this at home ;-)

Colin

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Tim...Ok

08-04-2006 10:09:29




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 Hey Colin in reply to Colin King, 08-04-2006 09:44:49  
the main reason to use steel versus rubber is the fuel is sitting right above a hot manifold,if the rubber were to crack and leak,you can imagine the result..granted the steel could crack also,but when i was going thru my 8N,I'm positive it still had the original 1948 hard lines on it..I changed some of them for cosmetic reasons,but the ones that were useable,got cleaned,painted and reinstalled.. I sure wouldn't want to reuse 60 tear old rubber hose :o)

Tim

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Colin King

08-04-2006 10:18:27




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 Re: Hey Colin in reply to Tim...Ok, 08-04-2006 10:09:29  
That does make a lot of sense! ;-) I can see the headline now ... "Young man chased by fire ball after replacing his steel fuel lines with rubber"

Thanks, Tim!

Colin



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old

08-04-2006 09:26:46




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 Re: Fuel and Oil Lines in reply to ShowMeGuy, 08-04-2006 09:05:32  
Tims got the right idea, brake lines from cars and trucks work very well for the fuel and oil lines on the Ns BTDT a few times. Biggest problem is you can never get one just the right length but they do come close and are pretty cheap also



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Peter, Covington, LA

08-04-2006 09:18:41




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 Re: Fuel and Oil Lines in reply to ShowMeGuy, 08-04-2006 09:05:32  
I'm no expert on tractor lines, but I have a Model T and the issue of replacing the fuel line is often brought up. The caveat there is to NOT use copper tubing, as it vibrates and eventually will break. Use steel brake line, available at all auto parts houses in various diameters and lengths. I would assume the same holds true for a tractor's fuel line. I would further assume that the oil line could be the same. I don't know about single or double flares, but a double flare is easy to spot if the end is available and you have a magnifying glass.

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Tim...Ok

08-04-2006 09:17:49




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 Re: Fuel and Oil Lines in reply to ShowMeGuy, 08-04-2006 09:05:32  
Best I can remember they are all double flare..just measure and get a length on your old ones and buy the steel brake lines from the parts store in the appropriate length..even autozone has these..couple bucks each..and bend to fit..

Tim



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