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2N chokes and dies when leaning left downhill

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Dave Harnish

08-06-2006 19:23:52




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Hi All,

This one's been driving me nuts (short trip!) for a few years now, and it's getting more than annoying; in both the woods and field, it's starting to get dangerous (I skid a lot of firewood and sicklebar hay with this old gal).

Whenever I lean my old 2N to the left for more than 5 seconds or so while going downhill, it chokes out, acting really rich, sputters and dies.

I've cleaned out the tank, run a new fuel line, drilled a tiny vent hole in the gas tank cap, and even replaced the carb with a brand new one - all with no improvement ('thought the float may have been rubbing on the inside of the bowl).

Any ideas? Am I the only one who's ever had this problem? My neighbor has a 9N that he can run in any position, and the carb and fuel system look identical.

Thanks for any help you can give me on this one!

Nearly nuts in NE PA, Dave Harnish
drs@sosbbs.com

Nehemiah 9:6

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Dave Harnish

08-07-2006 05:43:37




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 Re: 2N chokes and dies... THANKS! in reply to Dave Harnish, 08-06-2006 19:23:52  
Wow guys, Thanks very much for all your input! I've gotten some really good ideas here, with some things to check on this problem that I never looked at. Never thought of a shorting wire, and I'll def go back to the float again, and look for a rough spot inside the bowl casting, etc.

'Suffered with this for many years now, and if I can get it fixed, this tractor will serve my needs perfectly (At least once I get its little 'no brakes' problem taken care of too ).

Thanks again, I really appreciate the FAST help! Will let you know what I find. This tractor's been a member of our family since 'BC' (before children) - a long time ago - and she's even got a name ('Beulah').

Thanks again, and God bless, Dave

John 14:6

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Phil (NJ,Az,Sask)

08-07-2006 08:46:43




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 Re: 2N chokes and dies... THANKS! in reply to Dave Harnish, 08-07-2006 05:43:37  
Dave, I would cheat the float to bowl clearance alignment to the right side of the bowl(bend both sides equal, and make sure both sides of the float are on a level plane) such that it can't touch the left side and hang open. (That may move your problem to the right side and provide insight)

JMHO



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Duner Wi

08-07-2006 05:20:11




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 Re: 2N chokes and dies when leaning left downhill in reply to Dave Harnish, 08-06-2006 19:23:52  
My 9N with 8N carb. does the same as yours. Pretty sure it is a float or needle valve problem . So far adjustment don't help. What I do is just turn the gas on far enough to supply the needed amount of gas and get by fine. I run mine at a constant spped mostly so it works OK. If you do figure it out please post the fix. One thing that may effect it is my float is concave on the sides.



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Roland (AL)

08-07-2006 05:18:04




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 Re: 2N chokes and dies when leaning left downhill in reply to Dave Harnish, 08-06-2006 19:23:52  
It does sound like a carb problem. If resetting the float does not fix the problem, start checking the wireing to see if a wire would touch, and arc to ground when the tractor is leaning. This sounds strang but weak spark would not burn the gas and act like it is running rich. Hope this helps.

Later Roland (AL)



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blitz

08-07-2006 04:19:29




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 Re: 2N chokes and dies when leaning left downhill in reply to Dave Harnish, 08-06-2006 19:23:52  
maybe sumtin" sliding around inside the gas tank???



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Jerry/MT

08-06-2006 21:57:31




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 Re: 2N chokes and dies when leaning left downhill in reply to Dave Harnish, 08-06-2006 19:23:52  
Have you tried adjusting the float setting? My first inclination is that your float valve is closing on you when your front end is down and to the left and that would imply that you need more drop in your float. The fact that it doesn't do it when you are down and to the right also implies that the float yoke has a twist in it.
The only thing that makes me think it is something else is the fact that you worked over the fuel system and replaced the carb and it still happens. That makes me think that it's not in the fuel system. Next time it happens, quickly check the spark and see it it is still strong. Even if the spark is not strong, I'm at a loss to expain what is causing the problem unless you have some extreme wear in the distributor.

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Dean

08-06-2006 21:39:17




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 Re: 2N chokes and dies when leaning left downhill in reply to Dave Harnish, 08-06-2006 19:23:52  
It sounds like your float level is too high or your float is leaking and partially filled with gasoline. If the float level is too high or the float has partially filled with gasoline there will be too much gasoline in the float bowl. This will allow the engine vacuum to suck raw gasoline into the intake when operating on an incline.

Disassemble your carb and inspect the float and needle valve. Reset the float level and your flooding problem should go away.

Dean

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FarmerDawn

08-06-2006 21:11:49




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 Re: 2N chokes and dies when leaning left downhill in reply to Dave Harnish, 08-06-2006 19:23:52  
I am no expert, not even close! But this is certainly an interesting situation and I can see why it's driving you nuts. It makes me want to figure out something helpful. You say it burns richer, or seems like it might be doing that just as it stalls out. Do you see any black smoke then? Or any other sign it might be burning too rich right then? At first I wondered if the butterfly valve was tipping shut as you leaned that way, but if you've put in a new carb ... How puzzling! I just keep thinking maybe somehow it's not getting gas then instead of being too rich -- that gas line elbow bend would be lower on the left side if you were on a slope and leaning, right? But you've put in a new gas line, too.

Gee, I'm no help at all, huh? I sure hope you can get some more help on this problem. Be sure to come back with more information, as I know some of the guys here can help you figure it out. Sorry I don't know enough myself! :-(

Dawn

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ron,ar

08-06-2006 20:19:24




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 I see your problem in reply to Dave Harnish, 08-06-2006 19:23:52  
DON"T TURN LEFT!!! If it only happens when turning left GO RIGHT instead. The world is round ya see, going RIGHT instead of left will still get you where ya want to be because after all, the world is ROUND, so it don"t matter if ya go either way, sooner or later ya gonna get back where ya need to be. It will just take ya a"little" longer to get back there is all. :^)
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(oh, and my answer is backed up Biblically also, Hosea 14:9 says "..the ways of the Lord are RIGHT..."it don"t say nuthin about goin LEFT)

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K.LaRue-VA

08-06-2006 19:44:45




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 Re: 2N chokes and dies when leaning left downhill in reply to Dave Harnish, 08-06-2006 19:23:52  
Seems like the most likely culprit would be float set too high. Odd that a new carb would have the same problem, unless they are all set the same and you are running on more of a slope than most folks would want to do???

First thing I would do is drop the float setting a little and see if the condition improves. Not sure how low you can go before you start having other problems.



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FarmerDawn

08-06-2006 21:15:53




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 Re: 2N chokes and dies when leaning left downhill in reply to K.LaRue-VA, 08-06-2006 19:44:45  
If I just want to understand how the carb works better, is it ok to ask you how setting the float lower would help? I am not challenging you AT ALL. I just can't figure it out because I don't understand carburetors well enough yet to "get it." The float is what keeps the right amount of gasoline in the chamber there, right? When it floats higher, then there is more gas in it? So are you thinking if he sets the float lower that there will be less gas inside there and so it won't flood if he tips the tractor? Sorry to be such a dunce. But thanks in advance for any explanation you can give me. Right now, I'm just happy to be able to (for the first time in MONTHS) think about "how an N tractor works" with something like 8 or 10 neurons all at one time! :-)

Dawn

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Dixon

08-06-2006 22:22:51




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 Re: 2N chokes and dies when leaning left downhill in reply to FarmerDawn, 08-06-2006 21:15:53  
Since you replaced the carb with a new one and I can only go by what you say its got to be somewhere else.and you'll have to get into checking them all out.My way of thinking is it could be in the tank like a blocked pickup at the fuel line or since you didn't describe the hill it could be low on fuel again at the pickup.You might check as soon as it does it to see if the sedimate bulb has gas.Next thing I'd try is it might be when it leans on the hill it shorts a wire etc.Let us know and good luck

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old

08-06-2006 22:18:07




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 Re: 2N chokes and dies when leaning left downhill in reply to FarmerDawn, 08-06-2006 21:15:53  
Dawn, As per the book a float is set at 1/4 inch from the gasket area. Now if you set it at say 1/8 inch you have more fuel in the carb bowl. If you set it at 3/8 inch you will have less. I hope that explains it some. The of course theres things like a twist in the float which will cause problems if say one of the 2 floats sits higher or lower then the other one and that can cause the float to bind in the pivot. Or like the one carb I took off that had a welded place in it and the float hangs on it. By the way do you still have my carb LOL?

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FarmerDawn

08-07-2006 09:45:41




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 Re: 2N chokes and dies when leaning left downhill in reply to old, 08-06-2006 22:18:07  
Yes, I do! LOL It has now had quite an adventure, sitting on a shop bench about 15 feet from a raging forest fire. But I *will* get it back out to you! I fear the smaller parts are going to be in a baggie, though. I can't get them back where they're supposed to be! (eek) --Dawn



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old

08-07-2006 09:54:41




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 Re: 2N chokes and dies when leaning left downhill in reply to FarmerDawn, 08-07-2006 09:45:41  
LOL, I sort of figured that might happen, I wasn't that worryed about it since about the only way to destory a carb was to use a hammer on it LOL



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