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Generator - test on tractor?

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Russ Nichols

08-15-2006 08:59:17




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I'm still having electical troubles... 8n w/ 6v, pos ground system.

Had the generator rebuilt and it measures fine at the shop, but I'm getting no voltage ouput when mounted.

I installed a new voltage regulator and a new battery, too. I've checked continuity in the wiring harness and verfied all of the connections. I've also polarized by arcing the Batt & ARM connections on the regulator with all wiring in place and the key "on" and the tractor NOT running.

I can start & run the tractor, but I see a "slight" discharge on the ammeter and no increase in voltage on the battery when the tractor is running. I think it's just running off the battery. (By the way, the ammeter shows negative when the starter is running, so I believe the ammeter is working.)

I have a slight suspicion the generator may have been rebuilt as a B-circuit genny based on a comment made at the shop. But... I don't know how to check for that.

So...Since I can start the tractor, is there a simple way to test just the generator for output and to see if it's an A-circuit or B-circuit?

I'm thinking something along the lines of "disconnect all generator wires, start tractor (spin the generator), jump field to ground, measure voltage across ARM and GND studs."

Thanks in advance!!!

Russ

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Russ Nichols

10-16-2006 10:32:06




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 Re: Generator - test on tractor? - FOLLOWUP in reply to Russ Nichols, 08-15-2006 08:59:17  
It's a little late, but I found the issue... I thought I would post for anyone else with this type of problem.

Turns out my 8n generator was a b-circuit. I don't know if it was rebuilt wrong or replaced at some time in the past. Physically, it looks like the right generator, but I can't find any part number on it.

So, after buying a new b-circuit voltage regulator (for an NAA) and polarizing correctly for b-circuit, everything comes right up.

Short story, always take the generator and voltage regulator to the shop as a pair. He could have saved me a lot of time had I done that the 1st time.

Russ

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RP-40-9n

08-15-2006 11:15:43




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 Re: Generator - test on tractor? in reply to Russ Nichols, 08-15-2006 08:59:17  
while tractor is running-remove ground cable from battery-if tractor continues running, the generator is good.



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dan hill

08-16-2006 01:07:07




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 Re: Generator - test on tractor? in reply to RP-40-9n, 08-15-2006 11:15:43  
Removing the ground cable will let the generator run up to to 18 volts.This will burn out lites and gauges if it happens in a a car at nite.Good way to cook your tractors coil.Use your ammeter to read charge rate.



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dlplost

08-15-2006 09:43:18




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 Re: Generator - test on tractor? in reply to Russ Nichols, 08-15-2006 08:59:17  
Look to the left side of this page. Find "Research & Info", then "Articles",then go down the list to "2 wire generators".

Everything you need to know.....

"A quick test to see if the generator is at fault is to jumper the field terminal directly to ground. If your charging rate jumps, your generator is probably good (note, one minor complication to this simple test is if your cutout relay points don't close, the charge rate still won't jump even with a good generator, remove the cover of the regulator to make sure). It is amazing how many generators are replaced when they really are still viable."

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Phil (NJ,AZ,Sask)

08-15-2006 11:19:58




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 Re: Generator - test on tractor? in reply to dlplost, 08-15-2006 09:43:18  
The problem with that procedure is that damage will result if the Regulator is a B Type.

Remove the field wire from the Generator "first" then JUMPER ground to the GEN field post (full fielding)

If GEN outputs you have type A GEN. If the GEN doesn't output move the JUMPER wire from ground
to Armature (voltage) and if that results in MAx Output you have a class B Generator.

Hope This Helps,

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