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2Nnewbe

08-25-2006 10:58:02




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My lift will no longer come down. The height adjuster also feels different when I move it up and down. Does anyone have any ideas what just happened?

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2Nnewbe




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Tom N MS

08-25-2006 16:59:29




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 Re: lift will not come down in reply to 2Nnewbe, 08-25-2006 10:58:02  
Go ahead and remove the two bolts holding the seat to the hyd cover and remove the seat so you can reach around into both inspection holes without the seat interfering..



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Dell (WA)

08-25-2006 11:55:33




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 Re: lift will not come down in reply to 2Nnewbe, 08-25-2006 10:58:02  
2Nnewbe..... ...the 2N hydraulic control rod, I like to call a tuning-fork that straddles the PTO shaft and clips onto the "T" handle hydraulic control valve underneath the PTO shaft. The tuning forks are known to "un-snap" from the "T".

This is "different" from the 8N's 1-blade hydraulic control rod and valve.

This is a exercise in contortion to re-snap because you haffta remove both 6"-roundplates for access, and spring-open and snap the tuning-fork on the "T". Sometimes you haffta force the forks tight with some bailing wire or heavy plastic tye-wrap strap.

Be certain no one is watching you as you mount (lean over) the diffy with yer chin under the seatpan and reach around thru the hole as they might gitt the "wrong-idea" (grin).

Some will take this opportunity to drain all 5-gals of hydro-tranny fluid. Drain the small square diffy plug first, then the 3" tranny plug, and finally the 3" hydraulic pump plug. Refill is up by the tranny shifter.

Ford/New Holland now recommends spec: M2C-134D hydro-tranny oil. Of course you can also use the 1939 spec of 90wt mineral gear oil (iff'n you can find it) Modern GL-1 is close approximation. Do not use modern multi-weight GL-4 or GL-5 oil..... ....Dell

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Bruce (VA)

08-25-2006 11:05:11




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 Re: lift will not come down in reply to 2Nnewbe, 08-25-2006 10:58:02  
Most likely the control rod came loose or the exhaust valve is stuck. Remove the inspection plate w/ the dipstick; reach in & see if the control rod is still attached to the pump. If it is, push it to the rear. The lift should drop like a rock. If it does, time to give the pump a bath. If the control rod is attached, and pushing it to the rear does not lower the lift, get back on the board & tell us what you tried & you will get plenty of help.

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gahorN

08-26-2006 19:40:08




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 Re: lift will not come down in reply to Bruce (VA), 08-25-2006 11:05:11  
I was able to re-set my control tuning-fork thru the right-side inspection cover hole alone. It takes a bit of patience and some willingness to plunge your forearm into the dark oil and feel around awhile, but after getting the "feel" of things...it was actually not hard to do single-handed. (Takes more force than one might imagine to actually "snap" those fork-ends back onto the "T" tho'.) Once re-installed, I used heavy, stainless safety-wire across/around the lower forks to prevent them from ever spreading again, and falling off the "T". With great respect for Dell's opinions...I disagree with all the mysterious fear regarding GL4/5 fluids and effects on "yellow" metals. The "yellow" metals they supposedly injure are what synchronizers are made of, yet GL5 is specified by mfr's of those type gearboxes. The GL-4/5 fluids are designed for gearboxes, and they prevent galling and damage to gears under high load. GL5 was specifically designed for extreme pressure use, and N-Fords have had it "ignorantly" installed for 30-40 years with no ill effects whatsoever. The thinner 134 fluids presently promoted by Ford is intended for recent-production products that are specifically designed for such light-weight fluids. (It's quite a no-risk proposition for them to recommend a border-line fluid for old tractors that they have no risk with regard to warranty claims. I suspect Ford/etc will be quite undisturbed to see us all wear out the gears of our N's and buy newer tractors.) The N-Fords were designed and intended to be used with SAE 80 to 90 wt gear oils. GL fluids are great for them, mimic what they were designed to use, and the GL-4/5 fluids are the industry's latest specs for that type gear oil. I have used it for years with great satisfaction in all kinds of gearboxes that have "yellow metals" with no ill effects whatsoever.

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dan hill

08-29-2006 03:36:41




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 Re: lift will not come down in reply to gahorN, 08-26-2006 19:40:08  
The thin 134 fluid thins out when hot.Vane pumps that are worn will lose most lifting power when 134 heats up.



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