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Richt

08-29-2006 10:07:42

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I have cut 15' cedar trees down to use as the poles for my pole barn. they are about 6" at the top and 1' at the bottom. How long do they need to dry before I start building?

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LWD

08-30-2006 00:48:17

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Re: OT. Cedar poles in reply to Richt, 08-29-2006 10:07:42

here we put a 1/2 bag of dry pre-mix cement in the bottom of the hole then put the pole in, and then back fill with dirt. that is to code. but I think hvw is right, we have a barn built in the 1850s with oak beam on stone footings and it stands strait and strong still, and its not ben painted in my life time and I`m pre war, lots of luck to ya.

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richt

08-29-2006 18:50:22

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Re: OT. Cedar poles in reply to Richt, 08-29-2006 10:07:42

I'm in central Texas and wet soil is not the problem here (hey buddy, can you spare a drop of rain?") I did not know about the concrete holding moisture but am concerned about the high winds that whip across my land if I just pack the dirt around the post. Do you have to use some power epuipment to really tamp it down? The soil is pretty sandy but I will use the pea gravel approach anyway. I really appreciate all the input. keep it coming.

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jmixigo

08-29-2006 19:44:51

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Re: OT. Cedar poles in reply to richt, 08-29-2006 18:50:22

power poles, telephone poles, and bridge pilings are normally set with packed earth, not concrete

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JDrew

08-29-2006 16:26:22

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Re: OT. Cedar poles in reply to Richt, 08-29-2006 10:07:42

You can extend the life-span of cedar posts beyond the 8-10 year expected by soaking them in Cuprinol, or other copper-based wood preservative to 12" above the bury line. Let the Cuprinol dry and then apply a hefty coat of asphalt foundation/basement sealer. This'll give you a preparation similar to that on a cedar utility pole which can last for 20+ years depending on the environment! (Use gloves, safety glasses, and do it outdoors!)

when you dig the holes, dig an extra 18" and fill back with pea gravel to help keep water away from the end grain. DO NOT set the posts in concrete, but pack dirt back around them, concrete holds moisture against the cedar and will encourage rot.

my $.02

J-

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hvw

08-29-2006 16:14:47

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Re: OT. Cedar poles in reply to Richt, 08-29-2006 10:07:42

Richt, I think dan hill is right. Even if it takes fifteen to twenty years for an untreated post to rot at ground level why not build the building to last longer than that. If you have to use untreated post, mount them above ground on a concrete footing so that the moisture can escape.

I'm pretty sure I've read on this board that in some northern states pople do just what you're suggesting, but durn if I'd do it. It wouldn't last long here in the deep south.

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dan hill

08-30-2006 03:25:20

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Re: OT. Cedar poles in reply to hvw, 08-29-2006 16:14:47

I would use power poles from the local power co.They are always putting in taller poles when roads are rebuilt.These older poles are usually hard pine and creosote treated.I used treated 4x8 poles to build a small shelter for my band mill, they cost 15.00 each.I can saw 8 inch cedar logs in to clapboards and buy treated poles.I have seen decks, porches and stairs built with hemlock lumber rot in 10 years.Start your boarding 6 inches above ground and use a cedar skirt board to fill the gap.Use plenty of diagonal bracing.Look a pole buildings near you to learn more about them.Have your cedar poles sawn into siding boards for your building.

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dan hill

08-29-2006 15:14:59

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Re: OT. Cedar poles in reply to Richt, 08-29-2006 10:07:42

If you bury them in wet soil it doesnt matter.They will rot off a ground level in 10 years.Better use treated posts.

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LeeMo

08-29-2006 13:36:28

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Re: OT. Cedar poles in reply to Richt, 08-29-2006 10:07:42

12 months should do it.

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Richt

08-29-2006 12:33:50

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Re: OT. Cedar poles in reply to Richt, 08-29-2006 10:07:42

Yeah. I'm looking for how many days it'll take them to dry.

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guest

08-29-2006 12:51:01

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Re: OT. Cedar poles in reply to Richt, 08-29-2006 12:33:50

Days.....
1 inch of green lumber takes weeks
being air dried.
I would assume the same formula
applies to whole trees.

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Sven Olie

08-29-2006 12:19:30

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Re: OT. Cedar poles in reply to Richt, 08-29-2006 10:07:42

Ya, you should let them dry the full length, thats what we do in Minnesota!

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