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Paint sequence for Castings and SHeet Metal

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RICK GA

08-29-2006 13:41:43




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Can I get some recommendations as to cast iron prep work and paint and sheet metal prep work and paint? I've been to a Mich State Univ. Ag Expo tractor show recently and spoke to a guy that says all he does is steam clean the cast iron of the tractor and then paint. His looked awesome. I think I feel pretty good about the sheet metal approach I plan which is strip down to bare metal prime and paint.

I bought two videos from this website on sheet metal and painting and must say I was dissapointed in the lack of details about metal prep which seems to be the most important thing. I hope someone has a surefire way to get the paint to stick and be a tough coating.

Last question is "FOrd Tractor Paint from NH good or better quality?" I've used it before and think the color seems right. TSC's grey was almost white. TSC's red seemed alright.

Thanks

RICK

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DennyF

08-29-2006 21:08:46




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 Re: Paint sequence for Castings and SHeet Metal in reply to RICK GA, 08-29-2006 13:41:43  
Not an expert by any stretch, but have painted a few vehicles, tractors and assorted bits of construction equipment over the past 40 years.

Have mostly done the high pressure wash/solvent degrease where necessary approach on equipment cast iron. A stiff-bristled, oval parts brush works pretty well for removing grease, with gas or mineral spirits and will get into most tight spots.

Wire wheel on heavy rust and sanding on the sheet metal. Used a drill back then, have an offset grinder/wire wheel now, mucho better.

Buy the best primer you can afford, wipe down the sheet metal with whatever solvent the primer mfr. suggests, prior to application and make sure the finish coat is compatible with the primer.

TSC stocks two different "Ford Grays". I bought the darker of the two for my Jubilee, which I hope to de-rat sometime this fall. Painted that thing about 25 years ago, forget now, but probably had the NAPA guy whomp me up some Martin-Senour synthetic enamel auto paint for the gray back then. Spray bombed the iron with a Rust-Oleum or Krylon red of some sort, IIRC.

It has sat out in the elements most of the time since that paint job and it held up fairly well for about the first ten years or so. Did fog some gray on some of the sheet metal several years ago, but it was a half-arsed job. Gonna do it right again this time, but no more sunshine and rain after this one. Won't be a show queen job, but it's still a working tractor and will at least look better without the rust and crud.

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Carl S in NH

08-29-2006 20:01:13




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 Re: Paint sequence for Castings and SHeet Metal in reply to RICK GA, 08-29-2006 13:41:43  
I will tell you what I did on my sheet metal and cast iron. On the sheet metal I used a wire wheel on a variable speed drill, a power disc sander, and some hand sanding to get all rusty spots down to bare metal. Then I primed with a product like Rustoleum's Rusty Metal primer, and applied two coats of finish (brushed on).
On the cast iron I used the same approach, but first used gasoline brushed on to remove as much oil, grease & general crud as possible before beginning to sand. Do this in an airy place, like the great outdoors. Gasoline vapors are very flammable.
I used Rustoleum Sunrise Red on the cast parts, and New Holland's Original Factory gray. This gray is a much nicer gray in my opinion, and seems to have a hint of green in right light. I don't care for the whiter gray that some other paint suppliers call "Ford Gray".
The main thing is to remove all loose paint and as much rust as possible. There are also some phosphoric acid products that can be applied to the bare metal to seal them. Dan, on his Rustbucket project (put "Rustbucket" into the search here)used that. I haven't tried it yet on anything.
Good luck!
Carl

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K.LaRue-VA

08-29-2006 19:19:45




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 Re: Paint sequence for Castings and SHeet Metal in reply to RICK GA, 08-29-2006 13:41:43  
I admire your ambition. Stripping down to bare metal is a lotta work unless you know somebody with a vat big enough to dip it. The only things I take down to bare metal are small parts. Most of those I finished with a powder coat paint from Eastwood. Powder is about a bullit-proof as you can get and it is an incredible barrier to rust, but I cant afford to even think about powder-coating large sheet metal parts. Here is what I found on the web for stock paint colors that various people think match the original Ford 8N colors.

 

Ford 8N Colors:




 
Rust Oleum - 7762 Sunrise Red

PPG DAR 70075

TISCO Ford Red
 
Rust Oleum - 7755 Light Olive

PPG DAR 31657

TISCO Light Gray


Please remember that colors do not show up the same on different monitors or printers. There are LOTS of variables that affect colors so what you see will almost certainly differ from the real life color that comes out of the cans.

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jmixigo

08-29-2006 14:16:45




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 Re: Paint sequence for Castings and SHeet Metal in reply to RICK GA, 08-29-2006 13:41:43  
If you are worried enough about metal prep to ask what you did, then TSC nor New Holland will likely satisfy you.
Go to an automotive body shop supplier (Dupont Sikkens PPG etc) and keep going to 'em till you find a counter man that knows his stuff. He'll sell you the products that will work together to the results your looking for. Most body shops will know where to go in the local area.
JMHO

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Dave in OH

08-29-2006 14:14:01




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 Re: Paint sequence for Castings and SHeet Metal in reply to RICK GA, 08-29-2006 13:41:43  
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I pressure washed my cast iron and painted it Rustoleum safety red with no problems for two years now. I used TSC gray and it was a lot lighter than what I painted over. Prep was not much more than a light sanding.



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