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Corey A. Shaffe

08-29-2006 22:06:11




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I am soon to take delivery of my very first tractor (over lawn tractor size) and have been reeading the manual and looking over website that sell parts.

My question is should I consider updating the 6v system to 12V and update the ignition to an electronic style if I plan to use this as a true working tractor year round?

I live in central Indiana so cold winters are not usual. It runs fine right now, but will these or any other upgrades save me frustration on that -5 degress below zero day that I really need to plow out the 200 yard long gravel drive?

Any 8N buffs on here live near Pittsboro, Indiana???

Thanks guys

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Corey A. Shaffer

09-05-2006 08:50:10




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 Re: Upgrade Questions for the Ford 8N in reply to Corey A. Shaffer, 08-29-2006 22:06:11  
Hello- Sorry, I did not get your other email. I just sent you one from wargunbuyer@msn.com (my other hobby).

Let me know if you get it. I will be moving to Pittsboro next Wed. and will go pick up the tractor shorty after.

Thanks



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PhilipIN

09-05-2006 05:01:52




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 Re: Upgrade Questions for the Ford 8N in reply to Corey A. Shaffer, 08-29-2006 22:06:11  
Corey, did you get my personal e-mail? If not, send me a message at philipsatgscompressorsdotcom. Philip.



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Carl S in NH

08-30-2006 19:59:17




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 Re: Upgrade Questions for the Ford 8N in reply to Corey A. Shaffer, 08-29-2006 22:06:11  
I live in NH and it gets plenty cold here in the winter. My 8N has always lived in an unheated shed to protect it. For years I had a 6 V system, and always had trouble starting it on really cold mornings when I needed to get out to plow snow with it. Worst situation is when the weather had been warmer & full of moisture and then got suddenly colder. The whole engine, distributor etc got coated with moisture. Seems like I was always getting new plugs or points for it. Since I converted to 12 V it starts much more easily year round, and I am a much happier camper. Also not spending money on plugs & points like I used to. I would get a good set of those Autolite 437's.
I don't think you need to spend the money on electronic ignition - just the 12 V conversion (if done right!) will be enough.
Of course if you keep your 6 V system maintained correctly then it should start for you, but the extra "oomph" those 12 V provides sure are nice on an extra cold morning!
Carl

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Bruce (VA)

08-30-2006 12:25:16




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 Re: Upgrade Questions for the Ford 8N in reply to Corey A. Shaffer, 08-29-2006 22:06:11  
As I would have expected, the majority of folks here are telling you that 6v works fine on their tractors. I concur; I've got three N's, all 6v. While the coldest it been around here since I got the tractors was 12*, I had no problem getting them started. However, all three have been rewired & have new battery cables, & 2 of the 3 have rebuilt starters. The only thing I would consider is a new battery & cables & new wiring harness, if that.

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Keith Weber

08-30-2006 12:17:01




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 Re: Upgrade Questions for the Ford 8N in reply to Corey A. Shaffer, 08-29-2006 22:06:11  
I have a Jube, 6V and use it to take care of mid-Michigan snow, it always starts. My dad has a jube and a 641 both with original 6V and he never has a problem. Last Fall I did pick up a block warmer (fits on the coolant hose) that I had planned to install on my Jube but never got 'round to it. This would help the engine and the starter on those cold, sub 0 mornings. I conciderd swapping to a 12V system because I wanted to install a Western front snow plow on my trctor that has the electric/hydralic lift but have since picked a front Dearborn hydraulic lift so won't be going that route.

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Charlie in NY

08-30-2006 09:50:05




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 Re: Upgrade Questions for the Ford 8N in reply to Corey A. Shaffer, 08-29-2006 22:06:11  
I've been having some mixed feelings for the 12v system on my 640. I'm used to a 9N , and that one was a trooper through the NY climate, though it gets a rest through winters. If it were me I'd leave the 6V unless there is a need to replace several components. Then I might consider the 12v. I'd do it all at once and do it properly, wiring harness & all.

I bet I just solved a mystery on mine. I was trying to replace the original ammeter (a shunt/induction type) and dribbled some Blaster PB on it accidently while soaking the hood fasteners. The metal bezel ring started to arc and I could see the paint burn like a fuse along the rim. Not something you want to see when you're laying on a gas tank a foot away from the sparks and fumes. I was off and had the ground strap disconnected in seven seconds (maybe a tad longer). Some prior owner or mechanic had wired the attachment posts in series as if it were a modern ammeter. I bet this tractor drained batteries like no-body's business . . . but it was never mentioned in negotiations. Now I just have to decide if the generator needs a voltage regulator or if the one on the tractor was unintentionally left disconnected (with 1" of the wires left hanging where they were snipped off). Same with the resistor on the block that is connected to nuttin.

Trying to figure out someone else's cobble-jobs can be a real learning experience.

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Henry M

08-30-2006 06:24:48




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 Re: Upgrade Questions for the Ford 8N in reply to Corey A. Shaffer, 08-29-2006 22:06:11  
I love the growl of the 6 volters. Guess it is the same reason that I had to have one of them two poppers to keep the 8N company in the barn.

I grew up on an 8N that was a very consistent starter in the winter. It was wierd though, you culd look at the thermometer outside, if it was above 10 it would always start, if is was below 10 it wuld not start period.

I think the bottom line is that you have to do what pleases you. The 12 volt will eliminate having a lot of things on the electrical system kept up to snuff.

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OH Boy

08-30-2006 05:24:33




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 Re: Upgrade Questions for the Ford 8N in reply to Corey A. Shaffer, 08-29-2006 22:06:11  
I live in Central Ohio so I imagine our climate is similar to yours.

My '47 2N lives in an unheated shed all year round so it is out of the rain etc., but not heated.

It is set up with the original 6 volt ignition system and it never fails to start, except maybe on the coldest winter days when it is like 5-10 below zero.

If your tractor is working well the way it is, my reccomendation is not to muck it up! You know the old adage 'If it ain't broke, dont fix it!'

That said, its your money, change it if you want to, but consider whether you are 'fixing' a problem that you don't really have.

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Tony in IN

08-30-2006 04:18:40




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 Re: Upgrade Questions for the Ford 8N in reply to Corey A. Shaffer, 08-29-2006 22:06:11  
Corey,
I'm not sure I know enough to be considered a buff but I have a '51 8N and a '56 860. There are stories to go with each of these.

I have seen posts in the past that described problems with the electronic ignition when they get hot but have no personal experience.

I live in Avon and would be glad to get together to discuss these critters. We could meet at Prestwick, if you like.

Tony in IN

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Corey A. Shaffer

08-30-2006 09:11:26




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 Re: Upgrade Questions for the Ford 8N in reply to Tony in IN, 08-30-2006 04:18:40  
Tony- that would be great. I move in on Sept. 13. Email me at wargunbuyer@msn.com and I will let you know when we get moved in. Thanks



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PhilipIN

08-30-2006 03:51:42




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 Upgrade Questions for the Ford 8N in reply to Corey A. Shaffer, 08-29-2006 22:06:11  
Hello Corey, I live in central Indiana (east side, Wanamaker) and also have an 8N thats been converted to 12V for at least 10 years now. I am happy with it, have not gone electronic yet. There is a great parts and service resource out I-70 east in Wilkinson. We have good friends in Pittsboro, in fact she makes the pies for Frank and Mary's. Philip (A real Hoosier, unlike a famous racer who once claimed to be from Pittsboro).

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Corey A. Shaffer

08-30-2006 09:15:11




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 Re: Upgrade Questions for the Ford 8N in reply to PhilipIN, 08-30-2006 03:51:42  
I live in Wanamaker right now!! Not moving to Pittsboro till Sept. 13 (that is if I get my well sanatized correctly, having chloroform trouble!!)

I would love to get together sometime and have you give me a good lesson on the 8N. Like I said, this is my first tractor and I have not even run one since I was growing up back in Blackford County.



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hvw

08-30-2006 00:46:45




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 Re: Upgrade Questions for the Ford 8N in reply to Corey A. Shaffer, 08-29-2006 22:06:11  
My 52 8N came to me with no electrical system at all so I had to put in 6 or 12v. The cost is about the same for the whole system. I decided to use 12v with an electronic ignition and couldn't be happier. Starts like a new car year round. I had sold the same tractor some 19 yers earlier to a friend. At that time it was still 6v and I remember it being tempermental to say the least. Seemed like I always had to fiddle with it to get it to crank.

Troy is right though. 6V works just fine if it's set up and maintained properly. Just like any other system.

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Troy(IL)

08-29-2006 22:25:22




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 Re: Upgrade Questions for the Ford 8N in reply to Corey A. Shaffer, 08-29-2006 22:06:11  
The original 6 volt system is just fine, providing that it is well maintained, ie... clean connections, the right heavy guage battery cables, and a good battery, and generator. Although, if the tractor is down on compression, the 6 volt system may not start it as well as 12 volt will, as many on here will tell you, a 12 volt upgrade in that situation is just prolonging the inevitable( an engine rebuild)

There are other arguments as to why you should go with 12 volts, such as better headlights, and using other 12 volt accessories, but if your 6 is working fine, i"d leave it, I have an 860 that is still 6 volts, and it has only failed to start a couple of times in the 11 years that i have owned it, here in central Illinois

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Pitch

08-30-2006 01:48:28




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 Re: Upgrade Questions for the Ford 8N in reply to Troy(IL), 08-29-2006 22:25:22  
I have a '49 that is still 6v. I live in upstate NY where I believe our winters are much colder than yours. Never have a problem starting in the winter and mine sits outside 24/7.
Make sure your connections are all "clean,bright and tight" Go a season as is and see how it does. Remember a 6v system will sound awful slow and growly compared to the 12v you are used to on modern equipment, it is just the nature of the beast.
Good luck with the new toy.

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