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Tiller question from a silly old bear.

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Pooh Bear

09-16-2006 23:20:29

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Ok, so I know an 8N won't go slow enough to run a tiller.
But, does it have the PTO HP to run a tiller.

I was thinking (uh oh), hook a tiller to the tractor,
then put the tractor in neutral and set the throttle.
Then use another method to propel the tractor along.
Such as use another vehicle to pull it slowly,
or a winch on another vehicle, or mount a winch on
the front of the tractor, or other methods.

The ground I have is REALLY easy to work with.
My early 49 8N can pull a 2-16 plow thru it with gusto.
And my parents garden isn't that big. (20x30)?
Sure would be nice to be able to till it with the tractor.

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Pooh Bear

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jmixigo

09-17-2006 09:02:47

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Re: Tiller question from a silly old bear. in reply to Pooh Bear, 09-16-2006 23:20:29

For the few passes it would take to till yore garden spot I would consider just hooking it up then at PTO rpm slip the clutch for a few feet and repeat as needed. Keep it up too long and you might fry the clutch but that's what I'd try.

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Jim West TN

09-17-2006 06:03:35

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Re: Tiller question from a silly old bear. in reply to Pooh Bear, 09-16-2006 23:20:29

I would think about following up the 2 bottom plow with a disk harrow or fixed tooth harrow.
Jim

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Dean

09-17-2006 04:15:59

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Re: Tiller question from a silly old bear. in reply to Pooh Bear, 09-16-2006 23:20:29

Pooh:

Your 8N should have plenty of HP to operate a 48" - 54" tiller but for a 30' - 60' garden why not just buy a walk behind tiller. It will be less expensive than a 3 point tiller.

Dean

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Dell (WA)

09-17-2006 00:05:38

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Re: Tiller question from a silly old bear. in reply to Pooh Bear, 09-16-2006 23:20:29

Pooh..... ..as you aware, N-Tractors just don't go slow enuff for rototiller operation. But as for hp requirements, taking the common Troy-Built Pony, which is 22" wide and 6hp as an example and scaling it up to a 5'wide rototiller you'd need about 15hp PTO. Yer 8N is rated 26hp PTO.

Howsomevers; with a 20x30 garden plot, you'd NEVER git yer tractor turned around and you'd be COMPACTING the airy fresh turned soil.

Iff'n I remember correctly, most rototiller tines are counter-rotating, tossing the soil foward up to the shield. This would pull yer tractor BACKWARDS iff'n you left it in neutral.

Back in the 70's when I lived in the Lodi Calif area, they were pulling auxillary engined rototillers behind 3-point tractors thru the grapevine rows. This soloved groundspeed problems. Unfortunately, I don't remember who made the rototillers, but the 3-point hydraulic lift was quite handy for turning around at the end of the row. ..... ...Dell

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Pooh Bear

09-17-2006 05:43:13

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Re: Tiller question from a silly old bear. in reply to Dell (WA), 09-17-2006 00:05:38

My parents have a TroyBuilt tiller.
But my Dad won't let my Mom use it.
And my Dad isn't able to do it anymore.
And I'm in a wheel chair most of the time,
so I can't do it either. I can do one row, then I have to sit and rest for a while. I tried to talk my Dad into one of those small pull behind tillers to pull behind his lawn tractor, but he wouldn't go for it.

The tines may be counter rotating pulling backwards on the tractor, but if it is hooked to something by a winch cable it won't pull it back. And the winch would pull it forward.

For the one time per year use we could rent a 3pt tiller.

It was just an idea. Have to think on it some more.

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Pooh Bear

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BillGA

09-17-2006 05:37:43

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Harry Ferguson Stunt in reply to Dell (WA), 09-17-2006 00:05:38

There is a picture caption in FORD N SERIES TRACTORS (Peterson & Beemer) on page 11 that describes demonstrations in roped off plots that Harry Ferguson did to show that a tractor with the 3-point Ferguson System could get into tight places. "He further perfected this concept in June 29, 1939, when the new 9N was demonstrated for dealers: A 20X27-foot enclosure was completely plowed without leaving even the faintest of wheel marks." Not very practical but very cool!! In the picture he's driving the tractor in suit, tie, and bowler hat.

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Pooh Bear

09-17-2006 05:47:16

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Re: Harry Ferguson Stunt in reply to BillGA, 09-17-2006 05:37:43

You want to see small spaces.
Last year I mowed the dog lot behind my parents house
with the 8N and the finish mower.
36x36 dog lot. Not counting the steps off the back poarch.
They let the grass get too high so I mowed it.
I didn't even think the tractor would fit in there.

Pooh Bear

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Bob

09-17-2006 00:38:24

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Re: Tiller question from a silly old bear. in reply to Dell (WA), 09-17-2006 00:05:38

So, get a 3-point tiller and put a 20 or 25 HP Briggs, or Honda, or Kohler twin on it, and let us know how it works... with PICTURES!

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duey

09-17-2006 12:55:16

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Re: Tiller question from a silly old bear. in reply to Bob , 09-17-2006 00:38:24

OK, OK, but Bob, how do you suggest getting the GROUND SPEED low enough?? Do you think underdrive (if you have it...) and low gear is slow enough? I don't know..... this could be a rough life for a clutch...

Seems like TWO problems to fix... GROUND SPEED & implement POWER.

No, I don't have an answer. . . (that fits an N series.) duey

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Bob

09-17-2006 21:58:32

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Re: Tiller question from a silly old bear. in reply to duey, 09-17-2006 12:55:16

With the auxillary engine running the tiller, you could IDLE the tractor engine, giving a pretty darned slow ground speed in low gear.

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